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00:00:36,750 paranormal mysteries on access Northwest 16 00:00:42,799 --> 00:00:39,300 community radio here in lovely Liverpool 17 00:00:44,569 --> 00:00:42,809 how are we all this week tonight my 18 00:00:46,970 --> 00:00:44,579 guest is somebody that I came to know 19 00:00:49,490 --> 00:00:46,980 during the start of my investigation 20 00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:49,500 into the Larry Warren fraud and once 21 00:00:56,869 --> 00:00:54,570 upon a time we clashed but this was 22 00:00:59,840 --> 00:00:56,879 because of the dramatics caused by Larry 23 00:01:01,610 --> 00:00:59,850 Warren and and the little fibs that he 24 00:01:06,370 --> 00:01:01,620 started to tell to me and I cannot 25 00:01:10,969 --> 00:01:06,380 reveal the truth and Allison was once on 26 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:10,979 Larry Warren's side but until he 27 00:01:16,130 --> 00:01:14,250 disgraced himself a conference or B just 28 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:16,140 before the conference it was all very 29 00:01:20,719 --> 00:01:18,810 dramatic but this is that was what she 30 00:01:22,789 --> 00:01:20,729 when she saw his atrocious behavior for 31 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:22,799 herself and she wrote a statement to the 32 00:01:28,039 --> 00:01:25,530 public where she had to admit that he 33 00:01:30,950 --> 00:01:28,049 was indeed the aggressor and revealed a 34 00:01:34,399 --> 00:01:30,960 whole heap of issues that he went on to 35 00:01:37,940 --> 00:01:34,409 deny she then became a target of this 36 00:01:39,830 --> 00:01:37,950 vitriol herself ironically when we 37 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:39,840 started talking we found out we had so 38 00:01:43,819 --> 00:01:41,850 many commonalities that was almost 39 00:01:46,130 --> 00:01:43,829 supernatural in itself it was really 40 00:01:49,249 --> 00:01:46,140 funny so we've become firm friends on 41 00:01:51,710 --> 00:01:49,259 supporters of each other and she's been 42 00:01:54,230 --> 00:01:51,720 instrumental in invaluable throughout 43 00:01:57,530 --> 00:01:54,240 the whole affair and is the only radio 44 00:01:59,929 --> 00:01:57,540 show with the bald the radio shows with 45 00:02:02,410 --> 00:01:59,939 the balls to talk about any of it 46 00:02:05,420 --> 00:02:02,420 actually with me you know because 47 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:05,430 everybody has everybody else on but 48 00:02:12,949 --> 00:02:08,970 nobody talks to me that's quite familiar 49 00:02:13,670 --> 00:02:12,959 anyway tonight we're going to be talking 50 00:02:16,819 --> 00:02:13,680 about all 51 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:16,829 things spooky and I've got no idea where 52 00:02:22,039 --> 00:02:20,010 the conversation will go one of our most 53 00:02:24,920 --> 00:02:22,049 common things in life is the parent 54 00:02:28,849 --> 00:02:24,930 paranormal but more specifically 55 00:02:31,039 --> 00:02:28,859 hauntings and demonic entities and both 56 00:02:35,629 --> 00:02:31,049 of us have the deepest interest in 57 00:02:39,110 --> 00:02:35,639 exorcisms and recently she was ordained 58 00:02:42,530 --> 00:02:39,120 by the church her congratulations and 59 00:02:43,879 --> 00:02:42,540 please welcome Alison Dunlop our guest 60 00:02:46,550 --> 00:02:43,889 hi Alison 61 00:02:47,300 --> 00:02:46,560 hi sure thank you very much for having 62 00:02:49,339 --> 00:02:47,310 me on the show 63 00:02:54,259 --> 00:02:49,349 well it's great to have you on my show 64 00:02:56,059 --> 00:02:54,269 for a check well or not no just before 65 00:02:58,339 --> 00:02:56,069 we Benny filed on I have to say that I 66 00:03:02,059 --> 00:02:58,349 think this actually it ridiculous that 67 00:03:04,659 --> 00:03:02,069 no other radio show host has invited you 68 00:03:07,209 --> 00:03:04,669 on to talk about the lhari warden 69 00:03:08,599 --> 00:03:07,219 investigation I think that's absolutely 70 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:08,609 appalling 71 00:03:14,860 --> 00:03:11,010 I really do when they can invite people 72 00:03:17,689 --> 00:03:14,870 like Larry warden and Gary Heseltine and 73 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:17,699 Cristina is it christinageorge 74 00:03:25,580 --> 00:03:21,690 so I know yeah and I just think to not 75 00:03:26,030 --> 00:03:25,590 invite you all and I mean what is that 76 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:26,040 all about 77 00:03:32,719 --> 00:03:29,010 it's not I want to see it's insulting it 78 00:03:36,619 --> 00:03:32,729 as insulting but I don't know what else 79 00:03:39,530 --> 00:03:36,629 it actually says about these radio show 80 00:03:41,649 --> 00:03:39,540 hosts well the deal I'll say at the 81 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:41,659 beginning of their shells don't leave it 82 00:03:46,580 --> 00:03:44,370 there I'm afraid to ask the questions 83 00:03:49,129 --> 00:03:46,590 and they're jaded and all these promises 84 00:03:53,830 --> 00:03:49,139 but they're naturally the marble that 85 00:03:56,089 --> 00:03:53,840 allow offending the bigger names in you 86 00:03:59,569 --> 00:03:56,099 you know it's all this professional 87 00:04:03,020 --> 00:03:59,579 courtesy which is what allows this kind 88 00:04:07,759 --> 00:04:03,030 of behavior to continue to carry on yeah 89 00:04:10,249 --> 00:04:07,769 mm-hmm so it's a case of you know oh you 90 00:04:14,119 --> 00:04:10,259 can't talk to the sauce because the 91 00:04:17,199 --> 00:04:14,129 sauce is you can't be controlled and I 92 00:04:20,870 --> 00:04:17,209 think that's what it is not you know I 93 00:04:23,750 --> 00:04:20,880 think actually that's a lot of it to 94 00:04:27,260 --> 00:04:23,760 them I'm unpredictable because I'm not 95 00:04:28,790 --> 00:04:27,270 this polished persona that a lot of the 96 00:04:30,860 --> 00:04:28,800 people 97 00:04:42,500 --> 00:04:30,870 ufology and the paranormal saying kind 98 00:04:45,890 --> 00:04:42,510 of put forward because I'm not a 99 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:45,900 professional researcher I'm not a 100 00:04:52,670 --> 00:04:50,090 professional UFO anything how can you be 101 00:04:55,159 --> 00:04:52,680 professional about something that's 102 00:04:59,240 --> 00:04:55,169 happened to you in your life you know 103 00:05:02,600 --> 00:04:59,250 it's an event it's an incident it's 104 00:05:05,020 --> 00:05:02,610 something that's around me you know it's 105 00:05:11,210 --> 00:05:05,030 not actually something that I've chosen 106 00:05:14,719 --> 00:05:11,220 so I'm not a polished polished act am I 107 00:05:18,190 --> 00:05:14,729 you know and I don't have books and 108 00:05:20,690 --> 00:05:18,200 conferences all hanging on my behavior 109 00:05:22,250 --> 00:05:20,700 which I find to be very liberating 110 00:05:24,050 --> 00:05:22,260 because that means that you can actually 111 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:24,060 tell the truth and do something about 112 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:26,610 the situation rather than just sitting 113 00:05:32,510 --> 00:05:30,690 on a fence watching it all go on but not 114 00:05:34,250 --> 00:05:32,520 getting involved because you know I 115 00:05:37,430 --> 00:05:34,260 don't want to I don't want to be 116 00:05:39,980 --> 00:05:37,440 bothered with that it's very frustrating 117 00:05:41,840 --> 00:05:39,990 that coming up to that conference that 118 00:05:43,219 --> 00:05:41,850 you were talking about and it did feel 119 00:05:46,670 --> 00:05:43,229 like I was sitting on the fence a little 120 00:05:49,250 --> 00:05:46,680 bit because I had this event coming up I 121 00:05:51,230 --> 00:05:49,260 would have not me personally but the 122 00:05:54,140 --> 00:05:51,240 conference would have lost a huge amount 123 00:05:57,560 --> 00:05:54,150 of money and all these people would have 124 00:06:00,560 --> 00:05:57,570 been there that had no place to you know 125 00:06:04,370 --> 00:06:00,570 take them to it would just been a 126 00:06:06,170 --> 00:06:04,380 complete nutter disaster and so a lot of 127 00:06:07,909 --> 00:06:06,180 the time I felt I was having to keep my 128 00:06:11,659 --> 00:06:07,919 mouth shut and just carry on and carry 129 00:06:14,029 --> 00:06:11,669 on until it was all over at which point 130 00:06:18,050 --> 00:06:14,039 I just kind of collapsed and a bit of a 131 00:06:21,020 --> 00:06:18,060 heap and they hit over but I was so glad 132 00:06:24,980 --> 00:06:21,030 that we did get that sorted out and we 133 00:06:27,710 --> 00:06:24,990 talked about it and realized what was 134 00:06:32,750 --> 00:06:27,720 you know been say it had been a hoarder 135 00:06:35,450 --> 00:06:32,760 lies yeah I think it's it just goes to 136 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:35,460 show how the scene operates as well 137 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:38,370 because it's kind of like the one and 138 00:06:42,109 --> 00:06:40,289 we're all guilty of AIDS I'm not 139 00:06:44,450 --> 00:06:42,119 the finger at you are saying that all 140 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:44,460 that you know Oh people do this you know 141 00:06:50,989 --> 00:06:47,610 I've done it myself is that we react we 142 00:06:54,829 --> 00:06:50,999 don't choose our actions we react to 143 00:06:56,629 --> 00:06:54,839 things and we react out of you know 144 00:07:01,339 --> 00:06:56,639 there's a little pile of reasons that 145 00:07:03,739 --> 00:07:01,349 usually dunno how we will respond or 146 00:07:06,350 --> 00:07:03,749 jump to a person's side we have these 147 00:07:08,559 --> 00:07:06,360 professional courtesies and our will 148 00:07:10,999 --> 00:07:08,569 they've done that for me or you know 149 00:07:14,209 --> 00:07:11,009 they've got a conference so I don't want 150 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:14,219 to upset them and you know all that kind 151 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:20,330 of thing but the scene is a bit 152 00:07:24,799 --> 00:07:22,770 nightmare because well it's a lot of a 153 00:07:27,790 --> 00:07:24,809 nightmare isn't it because like I said 154 00:07:30,409 --> 00:07:27,800 before and like we've both said a lot 155 00:07:32,510 --> 00:07:30,419 there's kind of like a wall of 156 00:07:35,959 --> 00:07:32,520 protection that comes up around people 157 00:07:37,999 --> 00:07:35,969 but you know it used to be you and it 158 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:38,009 used to be me when it comes to our own 159 00:07:44,540 --> 00:07:39,330 we were part of that wall of protection 160 00:07:47,119 --> 00:07:44,550 so yeah well you know we didn't question 161 00:07:49,549 --> 00:07:47,129 it I didn't question him I believed him 162 00:07:51,350 --> 00:07:49,559 because I met him and I listened to him 163 00:07:52,820 --> 00:07:51,360 and I looked to him and I thought this 164 00:07:59,110 --> 00:07:52,830 guy's telling the truth this guy's got 165 00:08:04,399 --> 00:08:02,719 he's not like one of them but these are 166 00:08:06,049 --> 00:08:04,409 the untouchables the ones that don't 167 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:06,059 respond to anymore because I've had 168 00:08:10,189 --> 00:08:08,610 years and years and years of it and it's 169 00:08:13,009 --> 00:08:10,199 the same thing for them over and over 170 00:08:15,079 --> 00:08:13,019 isn't it no matter who you talk to 171 00:08:16,489 --> 00:08:15,089 they Travis Walton imagine how many 172 00:08:22,820 --> 00:08:16,499 times he's got to talk about his 173 00:08:25,519 --> 00:08:22,830 experience so people don't reply to you 174 00:08:27,259 --> 00:08:25,529 you know they don't they don't often get 175 00:08:36,649 --> 00:08:27,269 the emails either you might be sent into 176 00:08:39,980 --> 00:08:36,659 an old email address or whatever so do I 177 00:08:42,350 --> 00:08:39,990 do but you know I can't entirely this 178 00:08:44,259 --> 00:08:42,360 and you see this wall of defense that 179 00:08:46,879 --> 00:08:44,269 surround and these people that are 180 00:08:49,370 --> 00:08:46,889 around and they're perhaps even new to 181 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:49,380 the subject I can't entirely hold them 182 00:08:53,330 --> 00:08:51,810 to blame because as you see but we've 183 00:08:55,700 --> 00:08:53,340 been in that position at one 184 00:08:59,090 --> 00:08:55,710 but just hopefully through same they 185 00:09:03,230 --> 00:08:59,100 will read a little bit more and you know 186 00:09:07,519 --> 00:09:03,240 take a step back not get to you know 187 00:09:11,540 --> 00:09:07,529 jump on the bandwagon and and become up 188 00:09:16,670 --> 00:09:11,550 about that a good if P I've probably I 189 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:16,680 did you know because you can have look 190 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:18,930 up to the space and and they represent 191 00:09:24,680 --> 00:09:21,210 something to you and that's completely 192 00:09:26,210 --> 00:09:24,690 understandable but and he does kind of 193 00:09:29,690 --> 00:09:26,220 make himself out to be a bit of a rock 194 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:29,700 star so that's yeah yeah or very you 195 00:09:35,780 --> 00:09:32,610 know if it's a new person to you and 196 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:35,790 you're impressed by that then you may 197 00:09:43,430 --> 00:09:39,330 fall for it but hopefully people are not 198 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:43,440 falling for it other than rock star no 199 00:09:50,630 --> 00:09:47,970 not no not the ones not even the people 200 00:09:53,540 --> 00:09:50,640 around him because if you look at that 201 00:10:01,940 --> 00:09:53,550 and christinageorge interview with him 202 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:01,950 with German child Gary yeah so in the 203 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:04,410 late 70s I was the PA to the Beach Boys 204 00:10:09,560 --> 00:10:06,330 and if that was true you'd be going Oh 205 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:09,570 God really wow you know and and I knew 206 00:10:13,130 --> 00:10:11,370 John Lennon and I met him three times 207 00:10:14,900 --> 00:10:13,140 and I did this and you be going wow 208 00:10:17,329 --> 00:10:14,910 that's amazing Wow and they're just like 209 00:10:23,660 --> 00:10:17,339 going they've got this rolling eyes oh 210 00:10:26,870 --> 00:10:23,670 my gosh oh stop talking but every day in 211 00:10:28,610 --> 00:10:26,880 Italy there's new people you know join 212 00:10:30,500 --> 00:10:28,620 in his page and because you see new 213 00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:30,510 names coming up and you think but you've 214 00:10:34,550 --> 00:10:32,490 obviously not read anything yet you know 215 00:10:36,740 --> 00:10:34,560 we're doing a new bit of the subject but 216 00:10:40,610 --> 00:10:36,750 hopefully one day you will you'll see 217 00:10:43,130 --> 00:10:40,620 through all this all these lies 218 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:43,140 well Gary's were saying that if there's 219 00:10:49,730 --> 00:10:46,410 no evidence of him lying but there he 220 00:10:51,380 --> 00:10:49,740 was there right there with the PDA to 221 00:10:56,600 --> 00:10:51,390 the Beach Boys he goes are you were a 222 00:10:58,990 --> 00:10:56,610 kid they want you Lowry yes he was a 223 00:11:03,110 --> 00:10:59,000 child he just our school and apparently 224 00:11:04,310 --> 00:11:03,120 he was in England as well and also he 225 00:11:06,390 --> 00:11:04,320 was running around with the Beach Boys 226 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:06,400 and met John 227 00:11:13,710 --> 00:11:09,130 just all kind of accidentally you know 228 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:13,720 like well I mean it's almost like it 229 00:11:19,530 --> 00:11:16,770 could it be and related to suddenly and 230 00:11:22,260 --> 00:11:19,540 what you call them when people think 231 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:22,270 that they're Napoleon or God or whatever 232 00:11:28,380 --> 00:11:24,250 you know it's like he thinks he was 233 00:11:34,820 --> 00:11:28,390 friends with John Lennon I make sure 234 00:11:42,210 --> 00:11:39,630 the Beach Boys or other fans as well I 235 00:11:49,560 --> 00:11:42,220 can't remember now yeah they come try 236 00:11:53,130 --> 00:11:49,570 think of trying to block all and the 237 00:11:57,120 --> 00:11:53,140 best one is the Jimi Hendrix gave Stevie 238 00:12:10,820 --> 00:11:57,130 Ray Vaughan his her signed up someone 239 00:12:17,010 --> 00:12:15,390 then when he no I stole them questions 240 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:17,020 in that show that he did with him that 241 00:12:20,310 --> 00:12:18,730 kind of like podcaster did and he asked 242 00:12:23,340 --> 00:12:20,320 him all these questions when he cousin 243 00:12:25,710 --> 00:12:23,350 asked him about that he said I didn't 244 00:12:29,460 --> 00:12:25,720 say that oh you see this is what these 245 00:12:32,370 --> 00:12:29,470 people do he said I said I should have 246 00:12:35,430 --> 00:12:32,380 been paid half a million but my friend 247 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:35,440 Richard signed them he said I introduced 248 00:12:41,130 --> 00:12:38,410 them and I should have been given half a 249 00:12:42,900 --> 00:12:41,140 million but I wasn't and you know it was 250 00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:42,910 like actually a guy called Michael a 251 00:12:51,030 --> 00:12:47,410 lager signed Metallica and they've never 252 00:12:52,650 --> 00:12:51,040 heard of Larry Warren you know you know 253 00:12:56,790 --> 00:12:52,660 until I make sure you've got a good 254 00:12:58,650 --> 00:12:56,800 memory well how can you lie about why 255 00:13:01,500 --> 00:12:58,660 even lie about that you know why even 256 00:13:06,210 --> 00:13:01,510 lie about Metallica and it's so easy to 257 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:06,220 find out who but that bit history from 258 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:08,650 start to finish if that band and 259 00:13:16,950 --> 00:13:10,450 everybody who has ever been involved in 260 00:13:19,780 --> 00:13:16,960 them and I can you know maybe Taylor's 261 00:13:22,810 --> 00:13:19,790 that there is something else 262 00:13:35,740 --> 00:13:22,820 you're not going on there well there are 263 00:13:38,680 --> 00:13:35,750 some Metallica memorabilia the things 264 00:13:41,680 --> 00:13:38,690 that we have to deal with it's some 265 00:13:45,370 --> 00:13:41,690 situation is some situation I'm quite 266 00:13:53,710 --> 00:13:45,380 glad it's and well for me the majority 267 00:13:56,170 --> 00:13:53,720 of its its past no making the Fayette 268 00:14:00,550 --> 00:13:56,180 film kettle green which is based on the 269 00:14:03,190 --> 00:14:00,560 lie for those who don't know and you 270 00:14:04,510 --> 00:14:03,200 know that quite a storage to some of the 271 00:14:07,990 --> 00:14:04,520 people that have like you need to take 272 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:08,000 part in it but that's just up my body 273 00:14:14,530 --> 00:14:12,250 apart from the actual witnesses yeah no 274 00:14:19,890 --> 00:14:14,540 John Burroughs there's no Jim Penniston 275 00:14:21,910 --> 00:14:19,900 there's no Colonel halt and Jim and 276 00:14:25,410 --> 00:14:21,920 Colonel halt of both said they're not 277 00:14:30,700 --> 00:14:25,420 allowed to use and he named them yeah 278 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:30,710 anything yeah read a horse email back to 279 00:14:36,130 --> 00:14:32,810 the guy or later back to the guy saying 280 00:14:38,620 --> 00:14:36,140 no you can't use anything I mean and 281 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:38,630 seeing to him that you know you realize 282 00:14:44,710 --> 00:14:43,010 that that's this whole rubbish maybe not 283 00:14:47,230 --> 00:14:44,720 in those warrants well Jim Penniston 284 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:47,240 even put a post out the other day say in 285 00:14:53,200 --> 00:14:50,210 the Gary's spreading disinformation in 286 00:14:54,520 --> 00:14:53,210 Portugal and you know to the he's got to 287 00:14:57,310 --> 00:14:54,530 go further afield to all the other 288 00:15:01,300 --> 00:14:57,320 countries the Brazil Portugal Japan you 289 00:15:03,790 --> 00:15:01,310 know Japanese that X poll and because 290 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:03,800 nobody in America or Britain or you know 291 00:15:14,260 --> 00:15:10,130 anywhere else wants to know the rest of 292 00:15:16,270 --> 00:15:14,270 the world should northern Jim's point 293 00:15:17,950 --> 00:15:16,280 lead out there at Gary's using Jim's 294 00:15:21,100 --> 00:15:17,960 intellectual property without permission 295 00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:21,110 and spreading disinformation which is 296 00:15:28,090 --> 00:15:23,770 true is what he's doing and this whole 297 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:28,100 film cable green is total and utter 298 00:15:33,710 --> 00:15:32,210 fabrication and disinformation and every 299 00:15:36,710 --> 00:15:33,720 single person that 300 00:15:40,519 --> 00:15:36,720 interviewed none of them were with Larry 301 00:15:49,699 --> 00:15:40,529 that night ya know or as some day called 302 00:15:56,389 --> 00:15:49,709 it crapple green Johnson's complicit in 303 00:15:59,630 --> 00:15:56,399 any kind of fraud I think he's yeah yeah 304 00:16:03,889 --> 00:15:59,640 I just think he's you know he believes 305 00:16:07,819 --> 00:16:03,899 that it's not an investigation it's a 306 00:16:09,860 --> 00:16:07,829 tack of the trolls and why would he 307 00:16:11,420 --> 00:16:09,870 bother wasting his time reading a load 308 00:16:12,759 --> 00:16:11,430 of rubbish written by a woman who was 309 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:12,769 insane 310 00:16:17,900 --> 00:16:15,810 well you know I have to say that was 311 00:16:20,569 --> 00:16:17,910 initially quite I don't need the block 312 00:16:22,699 --> 00:16:20,579 you know honestly because that was what 313 00:16:25,970 --> 00:16:22,709 that was my impression that was what I 314 00:16:28,610 --> 00:16:25,980 had been told so I can understand him 315 00:16:30,410 --> 00:16:28,620 initially know it written your blog and 316 00:16:35,540 --> 00:16:30,420 hopefully one day you'll get around to 317 00:16:39,889 --> 00:16:35,550 you know probably after this nonsenses 318 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:39,899 come out and we've all had something to 319 00:16:46,069 --> 00:16:41,850 say about yeah 320 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:46,079 so I said people saying so I was in it I 321 00:16:57,470 --> 00:16:53,490 was in it and I'm and then she seems to 322 00:17:00,680 --> 00:16:57,480 be in short supply or people really do 323 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:00,690 blindly believe and that's a real 324 00:17:06,730 --> 00:17:04,530 eye-opener as well for people who look 325 00:17:11,299 --> 00:17:06,740 into these people for honest information 326 00:17:14,120 --> 00:17:11,309 and structured research and you know 327 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:14,130 findings they don't need any they just 328 00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:17,010 need a little bit of gossip and this way 329 00:17:25,790 --> 00:17:22,050 and then this one Swamp Thing yeah but 330 00:17:30,919 --> 00:17:25,800 it just shows you people have got more 331 00:17:32,570 --> 00:17:30,929 agendas than simply the truth you know 332 00:17:36,190 --> 00:17:32,580 they have other agendas whether it's 333 00:17:39,650 --> 00:17:36,200 just to be seen have their voice here'd 334 00:17:42,620 --> 00:17:39,660 or or whatever it is that you know 335 00:17:44,870 --> 00:17:42,630 they're doing it for but the truth is 336 00:17:46,290 --> 00:17:44,880 not a top priority and that is quite 337 00:17:47,970 --> 00:17:46,300 disappointing 338 00:17:50,750 --> 00:17:47,980 concern some of the people up here that 339 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:50,760 are going to be enough yeah 340 00:17:57,210 --> 00:17:54,610 and that's all I've got to say on this 341 00:18:01,680 --> 00:17:57,220 well you know next year will be 342 00:18:05,940 --> 00:18:01,690 interesting because David Young and John 343 00:18:08,790 --> 00:18:05,950 Hanson putting on a conference would 344 00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:08,800 bridge and it's going to be Charles hull 345 00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:12,810 and Gary Baker he was a radar operator 346 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:18,610 and Tim HS and a few others me included 347 00:18:24,540 --> 00:18:21,970 now we'll be talking about the Larry 348 00:18:27,600 --> 00:18:24,550 Warren fraud but the Rendlesham side of 349 00:18:30,630 --> 00:18:27,610 things because that is the focus so all 350 00:18:35,910 --> 00:18:30,640 his fibs about that and how we can 351 00:18:41,180 --> 00:18:35,920 deduce that they are folks hope you 352 00:18:49,530 --> 00:18:46,980 but you know John's going down the 353 00:18:53,010 --> 00:18:49,540 similar sort of Road I did as far as it 354 00:18:56,340 --> 00:18:53,020 being that you know maybe being a weapon 355 00:19:01,020 --> 00:18:56,350 systems test and aptitude kind of thing 356 00:19:02,970 --> 00:19:01,030 but he talks again once again Dave he 357 00:19:04,920 --> 00:19:02,980 said how John Burroughs I just said this 358 00:19:07,770 --> 00:19:04,930 in the post and it was about something 359 00:19:09,690 --> 00:19:07,780 and that I'd said so I corrected him 360 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:09,700 because he keeps saying that I said that 361 00:19:13,560 --> 00:19:11,170 he wasn't there on the third night I've 362 00:19:15,750 --> 00:19:13,570 never ever said that I said the writer 363 00:19:17,610 --> 00:19:15,760 said but he wasn't there as in on 364 00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:17,620 careful green with Larry so you know 365 00:19:22,260 --> 00:19:19,570 like they all say to each other you were 366 00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:22,270 there you were there where I was 367 00:19:27,060 --> 00:19:24,610 that's what I meant I've never said that 368 00:19:31,110 --> 00:19:27,070 John was in it you know I actually know 369 00:19:32,910 --> 00:19:31,120 that Larry got the John and Jim not 370 00:19:37,050 --> 00:19:32,920 challenged I'm sorry John and Adrian and 371 00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:37,060 then Colonel Holtz Park was adapted to 372 00:19:44,760 --> 00:19:41,850 be he said of it John it was Warren and 373 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:44,770 Adrian and then Colonel Holt was 374 00:19:51,540 --> 00:19:49,450 replaced by some mystery officer so I 375 00:19:54,120 --> 00:19:51,550 can totally see what he's done with all 376 00:19:58,800 --> 00:19:54,130 of it but it's what I shall be focusing 377 00:19:59,850 --> 00:19:58,810 on heavily that should be good needs to 378 00:20:00,930 --> 00:19:59,860 be done well 379 00:20:02,850 --> 00:20:00,940 because there's so many contradictions 380 00:20:04,650 --> 00:20:02,860 that I found laughs I just got a pile of 381 00:20:06,210 --> 00:20:04,660 them and I thought well I can either 382 00:20:08,510 --> 00:20:06,220 keep blogging all this stuff I can just 383 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:08,520 put it together and put it out as a book 384 00:20:12,990 --> 00:20:11,410 and then obviously a YouTube video needs 385 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:13,000 to be done for those people who don't 386 00:20:21,299 --> 00:20:18,490 want to read it would be good to have 387 00:20:23,910 --> 00:20:21,309 like a book available you know to say oh 388 00:20:26,669 --> 00:20:23,920 you're doing there though it's I don't 389 00:20:28,770 --> 00:20:26,679 know what your intentions are yeah you 390 00:20:33,450 --> 00:20:28,780 know an e-book basically but they need 391 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:33,460 to have a solid base for the documents 392 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:35,610 to live you know I can't keep relying on 393 00:20:42,590 --> 00:20:38,410 the flakiness of other people's YouTube 394 00:20:47,419 --> 00:20:42,600 channels and etc lots of transcribing 395 00:20:49,260 --> 00:20:47,429 because I always use people's you know 396 00:20:52,020 --> 00:20:49,270 broadcasts but we can use the 397 00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:52,030 transcripts just roses there's all sorts 398 00:20:56,880 --> 00:20:53,530 of little bits like that but it's going 399 00:20:59,039 --> 00:20:56,890 to be mostly video clips audio clips and 400 00:21:02,520 --> 00:20:59,049 images there's gonna be a lot of that 401 00:21:05,190 --> 00:21:02,530 because it's not me postulating about 402 00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:05,200 him it's him actually saying all these 403 00:21:13,799 --> 00:21:07,090 different things so I'm just gonna put 404 00:21:16,230 --> 00:21:13,809 them all next to each other you know 405 00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:16,240 there's no escapin it's it's him in his 406 00:21:22,230 --> 00:21:18,850 own voice that similar words that's him 407 00:21:23,730 --> 00:21:22,240 there in that video he said that yeah 408 00:21:26,220 --> 00:21:23,740 and of course some of the things that 409 00:21:30,690 --> 00:21:26,230 you say it's have been taken down off a 410 00:21:37,110 --> 00:21:30,700 certain website by a certain radio show 411 00:21:38,940 --> 00:21:37,120 host and which a few of you know you 412 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:38,950 know because tidying up all the mistakes 413 00:21:46,020 --> 00:21:43,890 oh they all the slanderous libelous 414 00:21:46,470 --> 00:21:46,030 defamation that's what they've been 415 00:21:51,659 --> 00:21:46,480 doing 416 00:21:53,430 --> 00:21:51,669 yeah I'm sure those things are still out 417 00:22:03,630 --> 00:21:53,440 there the probably been downloaded or 418 00:22:05,039 --> 00:22:03,640 recorded more than necessary but you 419 00:22:10,490 --> 00:22:05,049 need to keep on top of the picture oh 420 00:22:12,580 --> 00:22:10,500 yeah you do know there's a lot of them 421 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:12,590 there's a lot of badness 422 00:22:18,970 --> 00:22:16,490 and mythology just well I don't know 423 00:22:22,630 --> 00:22:18,980 just know you know I'm sure it's always 424 00:22:24,850 --> 00:22:22,640 been there but it just seems to have got 425 00:22:27,430 --> 00:22:24,860 worse and worse and come to our head you 426 00:22:32,740 --> 00:22:27,440 know yeah and that's why I've moved away 427 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:32,750 from it really I am NOT a ufologist and 428 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:35,210 do not research UFOs what is that a 429 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:37,850 research about them what can you tell 430 00:22:43,360 --> 00:22:41,330 from the outside of a craft photograph 431 00:22:45,850 --> 00:22:43,370 of the outside a craft a video of the 432 00:22:49,180 --> 00:22:45,860 outside of a craft are a tiny blob of 433 00:22:54,100 --> 00:22:49,190 something or whatever you know you can't 434 00:22:57,430 --> 00:22:54,110 deduce anything about its function its 435 00:22:59,889 --> 00:22:57,440 ability or its contents there's there's 436 00:23:03,430 --> 00:22:59,899 just nothing to know it's just a lot of 437 00:23:08,889 --> 00:23:03,440 people arguing about what they think all 438 00:23:10,450 --> 00:23:08,899 of this is I got nothing to offer I've 439 00:23:12,940 --> 00:23:10,460 got nothing to say 440 00:23:16,990 --> 00:23:12,950 I don't even you know want to be 441 00:23:21,580 --> 00:23:17,000 bothered and is so deeply into the kind 442 00:23:24,159 --> 00:23:21,590 of postulation of any of that because 443 00:23:27,820 --> 00:23:24,169 it's just completely useless in my life 444 00:23:29,799 --> 00:23:27,830 I've seen one but I can't go back in 445 00:23:31,330 --> 00:23:29,809 time in the TARDIS and interact with 446 00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:31,340 that moment so there's nothing I can 447 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:34,330 know about it yeah I think all the 448 00:23:41,110 --> 00:23:38,570 apologists can really do is log down 449 00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:41,120 what you know what the tame the dead and 450 00:23:46,149 --> 00:23:44,450 all the information about who saw it you 451 00:23:48,250 --> 00:23:46,159 know what the experience was when they 452 00:23:50,940 --> 00:23:48,260 saw it I've heard that it's not much 453 00:23:53,380 --> 00:23:50,950 more that you can do apart from that a 454 00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:53,390 lot of them are not even interested in 455 00:23:57,850 --> 00:23:55,970 the experience of seeing it they don't 456 00:23:59,039 --> 00:23:57,860 want to know that they're just kind of 457 00:24:02,260 --> 00:23:59,049 nuts-and-bolts 458 00:24:05,860 --> 00:24:02,270 but and they experience of it as nothing 459 00:24:10,330 --> 00:24:05,870 because apparently we have no idea how 460 00:24:12,820 --> 00:24:10,340 to observe this is a misnomer that is 461 00:24:15,159 --> 00:24:12,830 spread around if you're not some sort of 462 00:24:19,029 --> 00:24:15,169 academic you've got no ability to 463 00:24:21,399 --> 00:24:19,039 observe well most academics I know 464 00:24:23,409 --> 00:24:21,409 they're not very observant at all there 465 00:24:25,370 --> 00:24:23,419 might be completely intellectual but as 466 00:24:28,610 --> 00:24:25,380 far as things going up around them there 467 00:24:35,510 --> 00:24:28,620 I'll tell about it I'm okay 468 00:24:43,490 --> 00:24:35,520 academic and I'm so unobserved there you 469 00:24:45,350 --> 00:24:43,500 go you just keep singing this thing 470 00:24:47,150 --> 00:24:45,360 about the scientific method and I keep 471 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:47,160 calling [\h__\h] on it because there's 472 00:24:54,980 --> 00:24:50,010 nothing there's no empirical date so 473 00:24:57,590 --> 00:24:54,990 there's this little bit maybe from you 474 00:25:02,470 --> 00:24:57,600 know the very beginning of it all in the 475 00:25:05,900 --> 00:25:02,480 40s and 50s when observable speeds were 476 00:25:09,310 --> 00:25:05,910 insane you know thousands of miles an 477 00:25:11,270 --> 00:25:09,320 hour and we couldn't achieve that all we 478 00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:11,280 assumed that we couldn't achieve that 479 00:25:17,150 --> 00:25:14,730 then so you know there are little bits 480 00:25:20,500 --> 00:25:17,160 of things that we can deduce like well 481 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:20,510 it was there and it was fast 482 00:25:30,310 --> 00:25:25,650 there was actually a module up on 483 00:25:34,180 --> 00:25:30,320 YouTube and it's Jake Valley and he's 484 00:25:37,010 --> 00:25:34,190 you know trying to move ufology forward 485 00:25:39,230 --> 00:25:37,020 with the kind of research and what it 486 00:25:42,530 --> 00:25:39,240 can tailors and things like that and it 487 00:25:44,870 --> 00:25:42,540 was quite an interesting video to the 488 00:25:46,430 --> 00:25:44,880 point when I thought you know it might 489 00:25:49,270 --> 00:25:46,440 be harmless some of that and put 490 00:25:51,860 --> 00:25:49,280 together a course for SPI Scotland and 491 00:25:54,100 --> 00:25:51,870 maybe even to make it a jane little 492 00:25:57,320 --> 00:25:54,110 course not just you aim for 493 00:26:01,610 --> 00:25:57,330 investigation and research but some you 494 00:26:04,370 --> 00:26:01,620 know other aspects of the paranormal you 495 00:26:06,140 --> 00:26:04,380 know but it was very interesting I wish 496 00:26:08,180 --> 00:26:06,150 I could remember the name or you know 497 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:08,190 what it's on to remember but no day off 498 00:26:13,070 --> 00:26:11,010 faint again but you just seem to have 499 00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:13,080 the right idea about the direction that 500 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:15,330 we should be gone in mmm can you 501 00:26:21,380 --> 00:26:18,930 remember what they said no not offhand 502 00:26:27,710 --> 00:26:21,390 knowing it's actually been several years 503 00:26:31,550 --> 00:26:27,720 since I watched it yeah but you know if 504 00:26:34,130 --> 00:26:31,560 if fork what you know do a section on 505 00:26:38,190 --> 00:26:34,140 uShip for anything like that use that 506 00:26:40,769 --> 00:26:38,200 he's gone then they come across up 507 00:26:42,810 --> 00:26:40,779 it's well didn't he isn't neither person 508 00:26:45,090 --> 00:26:42,820 new mentioned the trickster being a part 509 00:26:48,419 --> 00:26:45,100 of it because you know there's there's 510 00:26:51,690 --> 00:26:48,429 like there's there's kind of these 511 00:26:53,970 --> 00:26:51,700 themes in life isn't there you know and 512 00:26:56,090 --> 00:26:53,980 it kind of Burgess on what we're going 513 00:26:59,220 --> 00:26:56,100 to be talking about anyway we're kind of 514 00:27:00,989 --> 00:26:59,230 archetypes yeah pop album and the tricks 515 00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:00,999 to being one of them but then it's not 516 00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:04,450 an actual thing it's not like a man in a 517 00:27:10,619 --> 00:27:06,850 in a silly suit it was went a bit cheeky 518 00:27:13,889 --> 00:27:10,629 you know and kind of tripping you up on 519 00:27:18,859 --> 00:27:13,899 things like lies you know it's it that 520 00:27:21,379 --> 00:27:18,869 is deeper than that that is they all 521 00:27:23,879 --> 00:27:21,389 interacting with us this is that kind of 522 00:27:27,019 --> 00:27:23,889 synesthesia type thing where your 523 00:27:30,210 --> 00:27:27,029 environment is interacting with you and 524 00:27:33,570 --> 00:27:30,220 that and playing tricks on you that well 525 00:27:37,229 --> 00:27:33,580 that's what kind of I perceived him to 526 00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:37,239 mean I don't know that this is the only 527 00:27:48,629 --> 00:27:41,970 person that I've had and using that term 528 00:27:53,279 --> 00:27:48,639 I told you my memories really bad it's 529 00:28:12,060 --> 00:27:53,289 the guy that that investigated the 530 00:28:14,009 --> 00:28:12,070 Highgate vampire stuff Empire no nor the 531 00:28:21,239 --> 00:28:14,019 other guys the guy that opposes Amanda 532 00:28:22,889 --> 00:28:21,249 was Justin Justin swales uh-huh and he 533 00:28:24,989 --> 00:28:22,899 is a whole nother person of hair juice 534 00:28:31,919 --> 00:28:24,999 in that town and he used it in reference 535 00:28:37,940 --> 00:28:31,929 to the the other guy that we can't 536 00:28:45,419 --> 00:28:37,950 remember the name yes 537 00:28:47,039 --> 00:28:45,429 David hadn't hadn't maybe I don't know 538 00:28:48,899 --> 00:28:47,049 should it sure is 539 00:28:51,060 --> 00:28:48,909 I'm sure that's stupid yeah he thinks 540 00:28:51,810 --> 00:28:51,070 he's a vampire people yeah an actual 541 00:28:53,790 --> 00:28:51,820 when he lives in 542 00:28:58,470 --> 00:28:53,800 was it Bournemouth where all the old 543 00:29:03,270 --> 00:28:58,480 people live he's quite old Dutch yes I 544 00:29:05,310 --> 00:29:03,280 saw him doughnut reading I met both just 545 00:29:09,030 --> 00:29:05,320 an aunt aunt Marjan actually meet him 546 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:09,040 but I don't listen to his lecture and he 547 00:29:15,060 --> 00:29:12,730 said on it that he doesn't believe he's 548 00:29:19,350 --> 00:29:15,070 a vampire he believes that he saw 549 00:29:21,150 --> 00:29:19,360 something that that was it doesn't 550 00:29:24,860 --> 00:29:21,160 believe in vampires I think the spot he 551 00:29:28,950 --> 00:29:24,870 said but he saw something in there that 552 00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:28,960 resembled one or something something to 553 00:29:35,580 --> 00:29:32,530 that effect but he is quite old no and 554 00:29:37,620 --> 00:29:35,590 he actually looks very ill to be honest 555 00:29:41,130 --> 00:29:37,630 I don't know how he's doing just no but 556 00:29:46,710 --> 00:29:41,140 he looked very old when I saw him but 557 00:29:51,830 --> 00:29:46,720 Justin said that he felt that David was 558 00:29:56,490 --> 00:29:51,840 come under the category of texture and 559 00:30:01,410 --> 00:29:56,500 he also said in relation to Lhari as 560 00:30:04,950 --> 00:30:01,420 well so and so with the he washes and 561 00:30:07,670 --> 00:30:04,960 and and in relation to actual people 562 00:30:13,430 --> 00:30:07,680 yeah and it coming through their 563 00:30:17,430 --> 00:30:13,440 personality that that there is always in 564 00:30:22,050 --> 00:30:17,440 society there is a person somebody who 565 00:30:24,660 --> 00:30:22,060 will take on these attributes well there 566 00:30:28,650 --> 00:30:24,670 are like sixteen personality types 567 00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:28,660 aren't there that were so there's kind 568 00:30:34,050 --> 00:30:30,970 of like far with far subsets and fast 569 00:30:36,870 --> 00:30:34,060 also so far whatever I cut him forgotten 570 00:30:42,690 --> 00:30:36,880 I how this what the scales called but 571 00:30:45,180 --> 00:30:42,700 basically each one could be overlaid 572 00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:45,190 with an archetype you know the people 573 00:30:55,290 --> 00:30:50,730 have behaviors and morals bit and 574 00:30:57,330 --> 00:30:55,300 deviances and good bits you know there's 575 00:30:57,990 --> 00:30:57,340 a whole chunk which i could say for you 576 00:31:00,960 --> 00:30:58,000 Sasha 577 00:31:02,130 --> 00:31:00,970 I have I no ideas you know because I 578 00:31:03,870 --> 00:31:02,140 don't even know how to see myself 579 00:31:05,290 --> 00:31:03,880 because I've got about twenty five 580 00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:05,300 billion things going 581 00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:07,610 so I don't even know who I am I don't 582 00:31:19,330 --> 00:31:12,650 even know what I am you know I tell all 583 00:31:23,290 --> 00:31:19,340 these people you know I am Sapna [\h__\h] 584 00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:23,300 Wow yeah maybe that so market I don't 585 00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:25,930 know what kind of I don't know what 586 00:31:32,590 --> 00:31:30,050 anything is unimaginably I've seen so 587 00:31:34,450 --> 00:31:32,600 many weird things and and then everyone 588 00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:34,460 just stood out the soul the system works 589 00:31:38,620 --> 00:31:36,290 and it isn't this kind of flat plate of 590 00:31:41,140 --> 00:31:38,630 you know everything little marbles 591 00:31:43,780 --> 00:31:41,150 rolling around a ball of fire he's crazy 592 00:31:47,770 --> 00:31:43,790 comic activity with us spinning around 593 00:31:51,190 --> 00:31:47,780 like in a spiral vortex and I saw that I 594 00:31:53,710 --> 00:31:51,200 thought I just thought what are we that 595 00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:53,720 yeah I think Japan is done would 596 00:32:08,530 --> 00:31:56,810 probably be something like the Shaymin 597 00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:08,540 archetype or shaman I love you the world 598 00:32:15,130 --> 00:32:11,690 is crazy I don't know how to see it you 599 00:32:19,810 --> 00:32:15,140 know so as an archetype I don't think 600 00:32:21,610 --> 00:32:19,820 I'm fixed I think I'm mutable like I 601 00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:21,620 think I like to think that the shame in 602 00:32:27,370 --> 00:32:24,650 us yeah in that respect there they 603 00:32:30,100 --> 00:32:27,380 remain just completely you know open to 604 00:32:32,530 --> 00:32:30,110 all possibilities well and to all 605 00:32:37,690 --> 00:32:32,540 influences because if these energies are 606 00:32:40,810 --> 00:32:37,700 real and you know we are this spirit 607 00:32:44,650 --> 00:32:40,820 having a human experience that means the 608 00:32:46,540 --> 00:32:44,660 Spirit is eternal or it's just there all 609 00:32:51,810 --> 00:32:46,550 the time and this is something that's 610 00:32:55,930 --> 00:32:51,820 happening physically but in reality our 611 00:32:57,640 --> 00:32:55,940 spirit is you know it's not this body 612 00:32:59,740 --> 00:32:57,650 this it doesn't exist because of the 613 00:33:07,660 --> 00:32:59,750 body the body exists because of the 614 00:33:10,770 --> 00:33:07,670 spirit so you know all of when we die we 615 00:33:14,889 --> 00:33:10,780 go back to that state so all of this 616 00:33:17,739 --> 00:33:14,899 experience and all of this kind of 617 00:33:20,100 --> 00:33:17,749 stuff that comes up as like aliens and 618 00:33:23,259 --> 00:33:20,110 ghosts and things like that are 619 00:33:26,379 --> 00:33:23,269 incidents in our lives that not 620 00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:26,389 necessarily well they're usually not at 621 00:33:31,690 --> 00:33:29,690 all what we think they are we live in a 622 00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:31,700 series of delusions don't we that we've 623 00:33:37,690 --> 00:33:35,330 created as a parameter of life so that 624 00:33:39,789 --> 00:33:37,700 we understand where everything is and 625 00:33:43,119 --> 00:33:39,799 feel like we know how everything works 626 00:33:53,950 --> 00:33:43,129 and that makes us feel real and here and 627 00:33:57,249 --> 00:33:53,960 you know like solid or valid but we do 628 00:33:59,049 --> 00:33:57,259 kind of like I think sometimes I do 629 00:34:00,669 --> 00:33:59,059 things and I think why did I do that it 630 00:34:03,639 --> 00:34:00,679 was like it was not me and I feel almost 631 00:34:05,710 --> 00:34:03,649 like a Sims character that somebody's 632 00:34:07,869 --> 00:34:05,720 picked up another game for a while and 633 00:34:11,530 --> 00:34:07,879 then forgotten about me again because I 634 00:34:14,980 --> 00:34:11,540 do things and I feel like it was an 635 00:34:17,260 --> 00:34:14,990 influence thing and I wonder it was you 636 00:34:19,500 --> 00:34:17,270 know is that me wanting to do that I'm a 637 00:34:23,079 --> 00:34:19,510 just a puppet to these archetypes who 638 00:34:24,790 --> 00:34:23,089 playing the game like you know in jason 639 00:34:26,379 --> 00:34:24,800 and the argonauts the gods were playing 640 00:34:31,300 --> 00:34:26,389 with Manny it feels a little bit like 641 00:34:34,510 --> 00:34:31,310 that to me sometimes mm-hmm okay that's 642 00:34:37,059 --> 00:34:34,520 interest and I'm not I'm not here Dana 643 00:34:38,940 --> 00:34:37,069 whenever you're not describe it like 644 00:34:42,599 --> 00:34:38,950 that well that won't be the archetypes 645 00:34:46,180 --> 00:34:42,609 existing as they exist influencing man 646 00:34:49,089 --> 00:34:46,190 but we don't influence man on Mass it's 647 00:34:51,250 --> 00:34:49,099 on an individual basis isn't it so we 648 00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:51,260 kind of embody these archetypes for a 649 00:34:56,260 --> 00:34:52,970 while could be a little bit Joan of Arc 650 00:35:00,849 --> 00:34:56,270 one day and you know and Mother Teresa 651 00:35:02,530 --> 00:35:00,859 the next but then you know a little bit 652 00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:02,540 I can't think of anybody really bad but 653 00:35:12,339 --> 00:35:09,650 I can say for a day a little bit 654 00:35:13,270 --> 00:35:12,349 militant for a day or you know is he's 655 00:35:17,170 --> 00:35:13,280 like personally 656 00:35:21,250 --> 00:35:17,180 is this the is if the archetypes acting 657 00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:21,260 out their thing using us to do that are 658 00:35:26,050 --> 00:35:23,450 you know because it does feel sometimes 659 00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:26,060 that free will is a total illusion and 660 00:35:30,380 --> 00:35:27,810 that everything is mmm 661 00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:30,390 down because when you look back on life 662 00:35:33,020 --> 00:35:31,770 you think that had to go like that 663 00:35:37,790 --> 00:35:33,030 mm-hmm 664 00:35:43,130 --> 00:35:37,800 yep yeah it's Osterley totally I give 665 00:35:45,140 --> 00:35:43,140 you it it's it's all too easy to we're 666 00:35:47,330 --> 00:35:45,150 talking about where you are joking there 667 00:35:50,540 --> 00:35:47,340 about what what personality take just 668 00:35:54,590 --> 00:35:50,550 say you are a butt and it's all too easy 669 00:35:57,860 --> 00:35:54,600 to try to fit someone in a box and and 670 00:35:59,930 --> 00:35:57,870 and make all black and white but not 671 00:36:02,240 --> 00:35:59,940 only is life not black and white people 672 00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:02,250 are not black and white in their 673 00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:07,130 personalities they are and are we all 674 00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:09,930 personalities and a real of their 675 00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:13,170 attributes a little pile of bits and 676 00:36:18,530 --> 00:36:16,890 bobs it's almost like a joke it and when 677 00:36:22,130 --> 00:36:18,540 they need something they can pull that 678 00:36:24,970 --> 00:36:22,140 out and and and that's you know that's 679 00:36:28,820 --> 00:36:24,980 what they sure that that's what surfaces 680 00:36:32,410 --> 00:36:28,830 but it doesn't mean saw it means so say 681 00:36:35,410 --> 00:36:32,420 sometimes some dick and pepper nasty and 682 00:36:39,650 --> 00:36:35,420 but that doesn't mean that they are just 683 00:36:40,940 --> 00:36:39,660 100% a nasty person they also might be 684 00:36:43,490 --> 00:36:40,950 quite a lot in person 685 00:36:46,970 --> 00:36:43,500 then you know in another situation and 686 00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:46,980 so it is easy to look upon people as 687 00:36:54,070 --> 00:36:51,570 being you know 100 percent something and 688 00:36:58,460 --> 00:36:54,080 it doesn't give you the whole picture 689 00:37:01,370 --> 00:36:58,470 no no well my my my foundations have 690 00:37:03,140 --> 00:37:01,380 been sort of not shaken I don't know 691 00:37:05,660 --> 00:37:03,150 what it is maybe strengthened who knows 692 00:37:08,390 --> 00:37:05,670 when I started doing this course with 693 00:37:12,650 --> 00:37:08,400 this Exorcist this Exorcist Bishop Brian 694 00:37:15,740 --> 00:37:12,660 Juliet I'm sure that so say anyway yeah 695 00:37:18,770 --> 00:37:15,750 if you watch gossip and she's been on 696 00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:18,780 that a couple of times so you know I'm 697 00:37:24,950 --> 00:37:22,530 at the beginning of the course and he's 698 00:37:27,410 --> 00:37:24,960 kind of telling me a lot of the things I 699 00:37:29,450 --> 00:37:27,420 already know and it's quite interesting 700 00:37:30,770 --> 00:37:29,460 because he's telling people in the group 701 00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:30,780 you know he got to throw all your 702 00:37:35,570 --> 00:37:32,850 beliefs away because they're all wrong 703 00:37:37,700 --> 00:37:35,580 everything you believe is wrong and and 704 00:37:39,590 --> 00:37:37,710 he's in you know you think oh that's a 705 00:37:41,300 --> 00:37:39,600 bit strong and people are having these 706 00:37:44,180 --> 00:37:41,310 little crisis of faith but 707 00:37:46,790 --> 00:37:44,190 he was right we just think we know what 708 00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:46,800 things are but we don't the actuality is 709 00:37:54,350 --> 00:37:49,490 completely different to the perception 710 00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:54,360 you know and so it is kind of saying 711 00:37:58,880 --> 00:37:56,370 that we are a spirit having a human 712 00:38:01,370 --> 00:37:58,890 experience of what is completely true so 713 00:38:04,820 --> 00:38:01,380 that it means that we exist in spirit 714 00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:04,830 already and then this is the human 715 00:38:10,250 --> 00:38:08,850 experience so when you die you're gonna 716 00:38:12,830 --> 00:38:10,260 meet yourself you're going to be there 717 00:38:14,660 --> 00:38:12,840 waiting for you because you were a 718 00:38:17,770 --> 00:38:14,670 spirit having the human experience so 719 00:38:21,940 --> 00:38:17,780 you're already there and I was just like 720 00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:21,950 [Laughter] 721 00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:24,450 I don't know if he's right I'm not 722 00:38:28,850 --> 00:38:26,610 saying that I'm gone all I'm not I'm not 723 00:38:30,860 --> 00:38:28,860 saying that immediately I'm starting to 724 00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:30,870 go to church and I'm gonna be baptized 725 00:38:35,900 --> 00:38:32,850 and become Catholic and all the rest of 726 00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:35,910 it but he's kind of going through all 727 00:38:40,190 --> 00:38:38,010 the different types of religions and the 728 00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:40,200 ages of them and the repetitiveness of 729 00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:43,050 this and he made an interesting point 730 00:38:50,630 --> 00:38:48,690 and a distinction the it just never 731 00:38:52,700 --> 00:38:50,640 occurred to me before that say like in 732 00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:52,710 Wicker and you know kind of pagan 733 00:39:00,470 --> 00:38:55,650 beliefs and that sort of kind of funky 734 00:39:05,420 --> 00:39:00,480 convo believes that I've got wicker and 735 00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:05,430 those things they they worship God's 736 00:39:11,270 --> 00:39:08,370 products is what he's done not what he 737 00:39:13,850 --> 00:39:11,280 is so we as you worship the earth the 738 00:39:16,460 --> 00:39:13,860 Sun the Moon you know the food they 739 00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:16,470 start on the other and so that's not 740 00:39:20,690 --> 00:39:18,330 actually worshiping God I just thought 741 00:39:23,180 --> 00:39:20,700 that was really interesting and because 742 00:39:25,430 --> 00:39:23,190 Saudi gone and because of that that's 743 00:39:27,470 --> 00:39:25,440 why I wanted to talk to you because I 744 00:39:32,300 --> 00:39:27,480 thought oh I know a lot for some good 745 00:39:34,940 --> 00:39:32,310 ideas about this well I think that's 746 00:39:40,550 --> 00:39:34,950 like a great way to and put it because 747 00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:40,560 and being peak and that was how I felt 748 00:39:49,790 --> 00:39:45,690 that the you know it's it's more about 749 00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:49,800 the the material why don't the you know 750 00:39:58,800 --> 00:39:58,200 you know what the trees the nature 751 00:40:04,380 --> 00:39:58,810 whatever 752 00:40:06,710 --> 00:40:04,390 and because paganism is is primarily me 753 00:40:11,130 --> 00:40:06,720 you know in nature based religion and 754 00:40:14,340 --> 00:40:11,140 for most peak and say enemy but I did 755 00:40:16,650 --> 00:40:14,350 feel like you know but what what about 756 00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:16,660 the it Bowl if you're polytheistic the 757 00:40:26,330 --> 00:40:22,330 gods monotheistic what God and you know 758 00:40:28,650 --> 00:40:26,340 and and that was I think why and 759 00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:28,660 Gnosticism was was quite appealing 760 00:40:35,460 --> 00:40:32,650 because it's almost like a pagan take on 761 00:40:37,980 --> 00:40:35,470 a well you could apply it to any 762 00:40:40,620 --> 00:40:37,990 religion but and the you know if he can 763 00:40:43,650 --> 00:40:40,630 take on Christianity because I felt 764 00:40:45,810 --> 00:40:43,660 myself being pulled towards that just 765 00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:45,820 because I was investigating that trying 766 00:40:52,650 --> 00:40:49,690 to you know find out what I just get my 767 00:40:54,570 --> 00:40:52,660 hair drained what Christianity was and 768 00:40:57,750 --> 00:40:54,580 I'd never you know managed to do that 769 00:41:02,060 --> 00:40:57,760 before I was draw a Protestant but it 770 00:41:04,859 --> 00:41:02,070 wasn't really you know forced towards me 771 00:41:09,390 --> 00:41:04,869 but you know became peak and later on 772 00:41:13,980 --> 00:41:09,400 but you know Gnosticism to apply that to 773 00:41:19,170 --> 00:41:13,990 Christianity it's to look at the 774 00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:19,180 symbolism behind you know the mythology 775 00:41:30,450 --> 00:41:25,690 and the you know the church itself the 776 00:41:32,970 --> 00:41:30,460 the Eucharist and and it just it opens 777 00:41:35,580 --> 00:41:32,980 are all not to you you can you can walk 778 00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:35,590 into any church and get something from 779 00:41:40,500 --> 00:41:38,890 it when you do that whereas just to walk 780 00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:40,510 in touch I shouldn't be told certain 781 00:41:47,910 --> 00:41:43,810 things and I didn't really you know take 782 00:41:50,490 --> 00:41:47,920 much from that it's all about the kind 783 00:41:53,180 --> 00:41:50,500 of spiritual stuff as well isn't it's 784 00:41:56,940 --> 00:41:53,190 like salvation spiritual salvation so 785 00:42:01,800 --> 00:41:56,950 for example the Eucharist 786 00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:01,810 now before you you know consume the body 787 00:42:06,300 --> 00:42:03,490 of Christ and the blood of Christ 788 00:42:07,300 --> 00:42:06,310 etcetera you have to go through a 789 00:42:09,570 --> 00:42:07,310 certain process 790 00:42:12,910 --> 00:42:09,580 you have to be baptized and you have to 791 00:42:15,610 --> 00:42:12,920 you know there is a process you have to 792 00:42:18,310 --> 00:42:15,620 earn that right this is kind of magic 793 00:42:21,930 --> 00:42:18,320 and what I say right I mean it our ite 794 00:42:25,060 --> 00:42:21,940 not righ T because all of this is 795 00:42:30,240 --> 00:42:25,070 ceremony and ceremony is essentially 796 00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:30,250 magic and if you skip steps then 797 00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:33,410 spiritually that's unsafe 798 00:42:39,730 --> 00:42:37,370 you know yeah and so this is about this 799 00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:39,740 is I've kind of been learning about the 800 00:42:46,620 --> 00:42:41,690 dangers that I've been putting myself in 801 00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:46,630 because I've been unskilled and unsafe 802 00:42:51,850 --> 00:42:49,850 and and that doesn't stand just for 803 00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:51,860 Christ that's for any of these things 804 00:42:57,400 --> 00:42:56,570 any of these archetypes building or you 805 00:42:59,440 --> 00:42:57,410 know all of that 806 00:43:03,370 --> 00:42:59,450 whatever you kind of the wrapping that 807 00:43:05,890 --> 00:43:03,380 I'd put on God was sort of it was a 808 00:43:08,860 --> 00:43:05,900 distraction because I thought I don't 809 00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:08,870 believe in God I think Oh like God's a 810 00:43:17,910 --> 00:43:12,650 narcissist and you know love me all the 811 00:43:20,350 --> 00:43:17,920 rest of it so I deluded myself so 812 00:43:22,240 --> 00:43:20,360 beautifully into thinking that that God 813 00:43:24,130 --> 00:43:22,250 wasn't me but this one was it's the same 814 00:43:26,530 --> 00:43:24,140 damn thing it's just a course of 815 00:43:36,550 --> 00:43:26,540 wrapping so I'm like oh my god do I 816 00:43:41,050 --> 00:43:36,560 actually believe in God with me I 817 00:43:43,180 --> 00:43:41,060 suddenly thought wow I'd even like a few 818 00:43:48,570 --> 00:43:43,190 months before I would never have ever 819 00:43:52,270 --> 00:43:48,580 thought of myself as being Christian and 820 00:43:57,310 --> 00:43:52,280 and then all of a sudden I was it was a 821 00:44:00,400 --> 00:43:57,320 whole process and something that I do 822 00:44:04,410 --> 00:44:00,410 you may be doing a spell but when I feel 823 00:44:07,990 --> 00:44:04,420 in need of something help in some way 824 00:44:10,240 --> 00:44:08,000 then I'll ask the angels and I can just 825 00:44:12,550 --> 00:44:10,250 be certain you know sitting on the couch 826 00:44:17,110 --> 00:44:12,560 seemed like all right can you help me 827 00:44:20,900 --> 00:44:17,120 here maple or or Raphael or whatever and 828 00:44:25,300 --> 00:44:20,910 and there will be a response some 829 00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:25,310 Boyet sometimes it's the next day so it 830 00:44:31,610 --> 00:44:28,290 came to the point where I had you know 831 00:44:36,020 --> 00:44:31,620 worked with the Angels I had realized 832 00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:36,030 that the the dead help I had had an 833 00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:39,330 unchaste and Mary as well and I knew 834 00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:42,210 that she could help too and I thought 835 00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:43,970 you know I'm looking all this 836 00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:46,770 Christianity stuff I can see that going 837 00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:48,690 to church doing the start the next thing 838 00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:50,490 I was looking at it from an outside 839 00:44:54,830 --> 00:44:51,930 point of view what are people getting 840 00:44:56,240 --> 00:44:54,840 from this and and I realized that they 841 00:44:59,900 --> 00:44:56,250 were getting something very therapeutic 842 00:45:01,850 --> 00:44:59,910 from it but it still wasn't I thought I 843 00:45:04,220 --> 00:45:01,860 was great it's therapeutic and they'll 844 00:45:07,340 --> 00:45:04,230 get advice when they go to to church or 845 00:45:10,850 --> 00:45:07,350 whatever but um the rest' oh it was 846 00:45:14,510 --> 00:45:10,860 still kind of you know the essential 847 00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:14,520 element and so I thought right okay the 848 00:45:21,470 --> 00:45:17,490 time has come out the thought and and 849 00:45:26,090 --> 00:45:21,480 asked Jesus to reveal himself to me as I 850 00:45:29,300 --> 00:45:26,100 would understand him as a pagan and that 851 00:45:31,610 --> 00:45:29,310 is exactly what happened the very next 852 00:45:35,300 --> 00:45:31,620 day that was exactly what happened at 853 00:45:39,260 --> 00:45:35,310 all the jigsaw pieces came together so I 854 00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:39,270 I think part of it is and you given your 855 00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:43,170 brain permission to accept what it as 856 00:45:48,380 --> 00:45:46,650 you're looking at because I don't know 857 00:45:50,900 --> 00:45:48,390 what it is that you're looking at so I 858 00:45:53,420 --> 00:45:50,910 kind of you know instead of saying oh 859 00:45:57,230 --> 00:45:53,430 that God is old you know God is Allah 860 00:46:01,190 --> 00:45:57,240 God is God or God is Jesus I'm Mary I'm 861 00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:01,200 bloody whatever that's not actually it 862 00:46:07,850 --> 00:46:03,330 because what we we just think that we 863 00:46:13,550 --> 00:46:07,860 know the actuality is unknowable but we 864 00:46:18,590 --> 00:46:13,560 need to put a face on it yeah yeah 865 00:46:21,530 --> 00:46:18,600 as I say the whole and the whole thing 866 00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:21,540 Matos just doesn't is that you know you 867 00:46:30,250 --> 00:46:25,050 can apply it to all religions but it 868 00:46:34,609 --> 00:46:30,260 basically is unconfident is it seen that 869 00:46:41,180 --> 00:46:34,619 the it's about the internal spiritual 870 00:46:45,140 --> 00:46:41,190 Johnny but it's more than that I'm a la 871 00:46:47,779 --> 00:46:45,150 I look at it as more than that as a sia 872 00:46:52,220 --> 00:46:47,789 look at it has been able to identify 873 00:46:55,549 --> 00:46:52,230 what the symbolism within the church 874 00:46:58,999 --> 00:46:55,559 with an Christianity actually means and 875 00:47:05,720 --> 00:46:59,009 it is that when you when you tap into it 876 00:47:07,759 --> 00:47:05,730 it's it's a treasure trove of the you 877 00:47:10,839 --> 00:47:07,769 know spirituality and spiritual 878 00:47:14,329 --> 00:47:10,849 awareness it just really opens up to you 879 00:47:16,999 --> 00:47:14,339 which you know an order legend really 880 00:47:19,999 --> 00:47:17,009 including paganism had actually managed 881 00:47:22,099 --> 00:47:20,009 to get me before well it was sufficient 882 00:47:24,079 --> 00:47:22,109 that I was talking so now but he's you 883 00:47:25,309 --> 00:47:24,089 know we've gone through all this what 884 00:47:27,579 --> 00:47:25,319 you've just been saying with them and 885 00:47:30,049 --> 00:47:27,589 but you know the whole thing of the 886 00:47:32,539 --> 00:47:30,059 denying this sort of part of yourself 887 00:47:35,930 --> 00:47:32,549 that it needs to kind of interact with 888 00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:35,940 these archetypes through divination and 889 00:47:42,950 --> 00:47:40,170 you know so tarot cards etc he's at the 890 00:47:45,739 --> 00:47:42,960 opinion is as the Word of God has killed 891 00:47:48,499 --> 00:47:45,749 more man than any tarot card are any 892 00:47:52,069 --> 00:47:48,509 witch could ever do you know that is not 893 00:47:54,620 --> 00:47:52,079 the problem the problem is being 894 00:47:56,749 --> 00:47:54,630 unskilled about it being dangerous about 895 00:47:59,059 --> 00:47:56,759 about thinking that you know what it is 896 00:48:00,680 --> 00:47:59,069 that you're dealing with and then 897 00:48:02,269 --> 00:48:00,690 pretending to yourself that that's 898 00:48:04,729 --> 00:48:02,279 actually true and going through the 899 00:48:07,940 --> 00:48:04,739 motions like it is when you actually 900 00:48:11,839 --> 00:48:07,950 have no real clear clue of your 901 00:48:14,539 --> 00:48:11,849 environment as a human being even your 902 00:48:16,220 --> 00:48:14,549 eyes can't tell you the truth about your 903 00:48:18,769 --> 00:48:16,230 environment they just tell you what you 904 00:48:20,539 --> 00:48:18,779 need to know you know there's so much 905 00:48:22,729 --> 00:48:20,549 more going on that we can't see in 906 00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:22,739 different spectrums and think we've got 907 00:48:28,910 --> 00:48:27,210 no idea you know he also quite 908 00:48:30,289 --> 00:48:28,920 interestingly says they're aliens are 909 00:48:31,460 --> 00:48:30,299 not from elsewhere they're actually from 910 00:48:36,410 --> 00:48:31,470 here they're just in a different 911 00:48:39,819 --> 00:48:36,420 frequency it's the same place and I just 912 00:48:44,599 --> 00:48:39,829 I just find that it's totally totally 913 00:48:47,660 --> 00:48:44,609 refreshing because as far as I have been 914 00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:47,670 concerned religion as I already decried 915 00:48:52,710 --> 00:48:48,530 all of the 916 00:48:55,420 --> 00:48:52,720 things that seem to come naturally to me 917 00:48:58,030 --> 00:48:55,430 depends on I suppose it depends on what 918 00:49:00,310 --> 00:48:58,040 you know religion you're talking about 919 00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:00,320 well he's a Catholic 920 00:49:06,790 --> 00:49:03,050 it certainly Catholic Roman Catholic 921 00:49:11,830 --> 00:49:06,800 religion yeah when it comes to a the 922 00:49:14,350 --> 00:49:11,840 liberal Catholic tradition then it would 923 00:49:19,770 --> 00:49:14,360 it would be very different you know 924 00:49:30,970 --> 00:49:26,050 what we're trying to say is yeah and you 925 00:49:34,810 --> 00:49:30,980 can interpret scripture how you wish to 926 00:49:38,260 --> 00:49:34,820 interpret whatever you get out of it you 927 00:49:41,260 --> 00:49:38,270 know it's not you're not told this is 928 00:49:46,390 --> 00:49:41,270 what it is and it's word for Martinus 929 00:49:49,090 --> 00:49:46,400 and you know let's at all you can choose 930 00:49:50,740 --> 00:49:49,100 to say that's not lateral that's that 931 00:49:55,270 --> 00:49:50,750 means this you know 932 00:49:58,690 --> 00:49:55,280 well he's explained the Bible as story 933 00:50:00,790 --> 00:49:58,700 of the archetypes that way I was like 934 00:50:03,100 --> 00:50:00,800 alright okay fine the Bible sir said 935 00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:03,110 which Bible don't need American Standard 936 00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:05,450 right okay next day I'm prying flop 937 00:50:17,470 --> 00:50:14,330 through the door I've never read it 938 00:50:18,850 --> 00:50:17,480 I've read bits of it of cherry-picks you 939 00:50:20,860 --> 00:50:18,860 know those bits that were already kind 940 00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:20,870 of already suggested to me by other 941 00:50:23,950 --> 00:50:22,130 people are things I've read on the 942 00:50:25,750 --> 00:50:23,960 internet which you know you can take 943 00:50:27,940 --> 00:50:25,760 everything out of context so I thought 944 00:50:30,610 --> 00:50:27,950 why would I read it in context you know 945 00:50:35,380 --> 00:50:30,620 I want to know what these this story of 946 00:50:38,230 --> 00:50:35,390 the archetypes is and you know the kind 947 00:50:40,060 --> 00:50:38,240 of things that you are the end of time 948 00:50:42,580 --> 00:50:40,070 stuff and I'll those are things that 949 00:50:45,610 --> 00:50:42,590 repeat themselves and various was all 950 00:50:49,300 --> 00:50:45,620 the earthquakes fires you know family 951 00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:49,310 and and locusts etc all that kind of 952 00:50:52,690 --> 00:50:49,610 stuff 953 00:50:55,810 --> 00:50:52,700 that just happens they you know it's not 954 00:50:58,180 --> 00:50:55,820 kind of an end of times thing is it but 955 00:51:00,520 --> 00:50:58,190 it's how how these things play out 956 00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:00,530 because it is kind of martyrdom of man 957 00:51:06,070 --> 00:51:02,330 isn't it there's 958 00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:06,080 a cycle that we seem to repeat or but 959 00:51:12,010 --> 00:51:08,770 it's not to take the Bible literally 960 00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:12,020 it's just a story so I thought well 961 00:51:17,290 --> 00:51:14,450 since this plummet into my brain that 962 00:51:23,310 --> 00:51:17,300 way it was before it was like in God I 963 00:51:30,070 --> 00:51:25,360 refreshing point of view especially 964 00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:30,080 coming from a Roman Catholic bishop it's 965 00:51:40,590 --> 00:51:33,650 it's not what I would have expected it 966 00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:40,600 was very progressive yeah kind of like a 967 00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:44,330 modern very modern bishop mm-hmm you 968 00:51:49,210 --> 00:51:46,850 know he is a genuine bishop it's not you 969 00:51:52,510 --> 00:51:49,220 know it's not rubbish but the thing is 970 00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:52,520 is I've always been really kind of 971 00:51:56,500 --> 00:51:54,410 laissez about the things that I do the 972 00:52:00,070 --> 00:51:56,510 paranormal side of things especially I 973 00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:00,080 just thought that you know can't be hurt 974 00:52:05,620 --> 00:52:02,690 by these things you are alive they're 975 00:52:07,690 --> 00:52:05,630 dead you know they're not this is our 976 00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:07,700 domain so if we just believe it we've 977 00:52:11,860 --> 00:52:09,410 got more power than they have which is 978 00:52:15,580 --> 00:52:11,870 kind of true essentially but at the same 979 00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:15,590 time not because that's that's an 980 00:52:19,660 --> 00:52:17,450 assumption that you make that you will 981 00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:19,670 always be strong stronger than anything 982 00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:21,170 that you're going to come up against in 983 00:52:28,510 --> 00:52:23,450 that sort of situation and that's just 984 00:52:30,490 --> 00:52:28,520 ignorant so you know there's a lot of 985 00:52:31,900 --> 00:52:30,500 things that we don't know about life and 986 00:52:34,390 --> 00:52:31,910 the more that I've understood about the 987 00:52:37,030 --> 00:52:34,400 paranormal is that it's very difficult 988 00:52:38,530 --> 00:52:37,040 to quantify it and especially now that 989 00:52:41,190 --> 00:52:38,540 we've got these kind of technologies 990 00:52:43,270 --> 00:52:41,200 that are correlating the freezing-cold 991 00:52:45,970 --> 00:52:43,280 feelings that you get with the 992 00:52:47,950 --> 00:52:45,980 temperature shift and the structured 993 00:52:51,010 --> 00:52:47,960 light sensor cameras that outline the 994 00:52:54,520 --> 00:52:51,020 stick figures you know all that kind of 995 00:52:56,110 --> 00:52:54,530 stuff we you know we that is we've 996 00:52:57,640 --> 00:52:56,120 beginning to see that all that stuff is 997 00:53:00,640 --> 00:52:57,650 actually there and it's actually real 998 00:53:04,890 --> 00:53:00,650 and there's a little bit unnerving to 999 00:53:06,940 --> 00:53:04,900 sit on my my cockiness in the past of 1000 00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:06,950 charging into places and then 1001 00:53:11,050 --> 00:53:09,050 challenging things to get them out you 1002 00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:11,060 know and doing these rituals banishing 1003 00:53:15,940 --> 00:53:14,690 rituals which just the sheer fact that 1004 00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:15,950 those vanishing ritual 1005 00:53:20,349 --> 00:53:18,170 have been done so many thousands and 1006 00:53:22,089 --> 00:53:20,359 millions of times by other people that 1007 00:53:24,970 --> 00:53:22,099 gives them their strength not the facts 1008 00:53:28,150 --> 00:53:24,980 that I've got that strength it's the 1009 00:53:31,900 --> 00:53:28,160 practice isn't it's the praxis of it not 1010 00:53:35,410 --> 00:53:31,910 the you know me being completely 1011 00:53:37,180 --> 00:53:35,420 spiritually hench it's just luck that 1012 00:53:41,410 --> 00:53:37,190 I've chosen a particular thing that has 1013 00:53:44,230 --> 00:53:41,420 got this kind of standing in in an 1014 00:53:48,069 --> 00:53:44,240 energetic way yeah and that's how I view 1015 00:53:54,099 --> 00:53:48,079 a socialism as well the ritual romanum 1016 00:53:56,890 --> 00:53:54,109 rate of a chasm it's been done for years 1017 00:54:00,819 --> 00:53:56,900 and years and it's like honey energy 1018 00:54:03,220 --> 00:54:00,829 this it's a very powerful magical 1019 00:54:06,069 --> 00:54:03,230 formula the Catholic Church will like me 1020 00:54:09,670 --> 00:54:06,079 seen that but I can't think of a better 1021 00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:09,680 way to describe it as a very powerful 1022 00:54:16,329 --> 00:54:12,290 magical formula but what you were saying 1023 00:54:19,380 --> 00:54:16,339 there's reminded me of a situation an 1024 00:54:23,770 --> 00:54:19,390 investigation that I did in Glasgow and 1025 00:54:26,380 --> 00:54:23,780 I was asked to go to a house I went to 1026 00:54:28,180 --> 00:54:26,390 the house I really feel a nothing much 1027 00:54:32,559 --> 00:54:28,190 going on and there's a few things but 1028 00:54:35,859 --> 00:54:32,569 not that much and but I had asked and 1029 00:54:37,329 --> 00:54:35,869 for the angels to protect me before I 1030 00:54:40,240 --> 00:54:37,339 went in and I thought that you know 1031 00:54:42,430 --> 00:54:40,250 that'll be enough a friend a psychic 1032 00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:42,440 friend had said to me that his guides 1033 00:54:49,030 --> 00:54:45,770 had immediately come in and said to tell 1034 00:54:51,579 --> 00:54:49,040 me to be very careful when I went there 1035 00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:51,589 and I said what what did he mean by that 1036 00:54:58,980 --> 00:54:53,930 and he said well they're not saying they 1037 00:55:03,760 --> 00:54:58,990 just said to be very very careful so I 1038 00:55:09,270 --> 00:55:03,770 added you know I cleanse and healing 1039 00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:09,280 with the people involved as well and I 1040 00:55:14,079 --> 00:55:11,690 come away and two days later 1041 00:55:16,240 --> 00:55:14,089 now whether letters get anything to do 1042 00:55:20,680 --> 00:55:16,250 with anything I really don't know but 1043 00:55:26,050 --> 00:55:20,690 two days later I became extremely unwell 1044 00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:26,060 and I I developed septicemia rushed into 1045 00:55:31,300 --> 00:55:29,690 hospital and luckily that that was 1046 00:55:34,090 --> 00:55:31,310 playing good you know got wonderful I 1047 00:55:38,730 --> 00:55:34,100 needed to go on and but it was when I 1048 00:55:43,470 --> 00:55:38,740 went into hospital that I then had a 1049 00:55:46,060 --> 00:55:43,480 very paranormal experience in there of 1050 00:55:47,950 --> 00:55:46,070 seeing I don't know if I've told you but 1051 00:55:51,900 --> 00:55:47,960 it's seen the dark shadow that was going 1052 00:55:53,140 --> 00:55:51,910 on towards an altar woman's room oh yeah 1053 00:55:56,350 --> 00:55:53,150 okay 1054 00:55:58,810 --> 00:55:56,360 so the room that this dark shadow was 1055 00:56:01,180 --> 00:55:58,820 going on towards and the this old lady 1056 00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:01,190 had been brought in she was a mushroom 1057 00:56:07,060 --> 00:56:03,890 that I've been and when I had my second 1058 00:56:08,950 --> 00:56:07,070 kidney transplant and it was just so I 1059 00:56:11,260 --> 00:56:08,960 can have a diagonal to the room that I 1060 00:56:16,120 --> 00:56:11,270 was in which was facing out and to the 1061 00:56:17,860 --> 00:56:16,130 corridor and the nurse's station and so 1062 00:56:20,560 --> 00:56:17,870 on I'm sent them a book I'm sitting on 1063 00:56:25,420 --> 00:56:20,570 my bed reading a book I hate to admit 1064 00:56:27,250 --> 00:56:25,430 that at 50 you see it but anyway I bet 1065 00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:27,260 you can this Vick note the family had 1066 00:56:31,120 --> 00:56:28,850 been called they were all very upset 1067 00:56:32,890 --> 00:56:31,130 they were taking tongues gone and held 1068 00:56:38,230 --> 00:56:32,900 the doctor seemed to expect the worst 1069 00:56:40,690 --> 00:56:38,240 and later oh and I think the daughter 1070 00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:40,700 was in the room and so there was no just 1071 00:56:46,660 --> 00:56:43,010 standing outside the door and I happened 1072 00:56:49,180 --> 00:56:46,670 to look up and I saw this dark shadow it 1073 00:56:51,910 --> 00:56:49,190 looked like in the shape of a second 1074 00:56:55,300 --> 00:56:51,920 and I thought am I seeing things here 1075 00:56:58,120 --> 00:56:55,310 and then it started to move towards the 1076 00:57:01,240 --> 00:56:58,130 room when it started to move towards the 1077 00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:01,250 room I thought oh this is bad this is 1078 00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:04,010 this I got a really really bad feeling 1079 00:57:15,550 --> 00:57:10,370 from it and so I called on the angels to 1080 00:57:19,540 --> 00:57:15,560 intervene to Michael together the 1081 00:57:23,110 --> 00:57:19,550 woman's strength Raphael to healer and I 1082 00:57:28,930 --> 00:57:23,120 told us whatever it might be this women 1083 00:57:29,530 --> 00:57:28,940 was protected by the angels and and to a 1084 00:57:37,150 --> 00:57:29,540 forth 1085 00:57:39,700 --> 00:57:37,160 I think were my were my words and it 1086 00:57:41,940 --> 00:57:39,710 started to retreat at that point I 1087 00:57:46,859 --> 00:57:41,950 thought start to retreat 1088 00:57:48,180 --> 00:57:46,869 and the next day the otter woman was 1089 00:57:52,069 --> 00:57:48,190 well enough to 1090 00:57:57,089 --> 00:57:52,079 Guenter ward with other people and 1091 00:58:00,210 --> 00:57:57,099 recovered so I mean a sore actually sore 1092 00:58:02,010 --> 00:58:00,220 what can i you know I mean she was a bit 1093 00:58:03,960 --> 00:58:02,020 fragile and she was you know had 1094 00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:03,970 somebody hold on her arm but she looked 1095 00:58:09,810 --> 00:58:06,730 quite happy and smiling and I thought 1096 00:58:12,990 --> 00:58:09,820 wow they would definitely worst case 1097 00:58:16,170 --> 00:58:13,000 scenario yesterday oh she's late looking 1098 00:58:21,410 --> 00:58:16,180 like banshees off to a warrant that's 1099 00:58:24,210 --> 00:58:21,420 great and so I asked one of the nurses 1100 00:58:26,609 --> 00:58:24,220 if they I told her what you know my 1101 00:58:28,440 --> 00:58:26,619 radio show and I was interested and and 1102 00:58:31,109 --> 00:58:28,450 she stole you would have loved her and 1103 00:58:34,890 --> 00:58:31,119 here last week and she said there was a 1104 00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:34,900 man and the wards down there and they we 1105 00:58:39,599 --> 00:58:37,930 were woken up in the middle he was he 1106 00:58:42,810 --> 00:58:39,609 woke up in the middle and I and we were 1107 00:58:45,300 --> 00:58:42,820 they acted and he was scheming out and 1108 00:58:49,890 --> 00:58:45,310 said that some dude been trying to pull 1109 00:58:52,470 --> 00:58:49,900 him out of his bed by his feet and they 1110 00:58:54,750 --> 00:58:52,480 gotten back and they had settled down 1111 00:58:58,470 --> 00:58:54,760 gave my cup of tea gotten back to sleep 1112 00:59:01,260 --> 00:58:58,480 and one of the nurses later on when and 1113 00:59:04,950 --> 00:59:01,270 was putting something into a cupboard 1114 00:59:08,040 --> 00:59:04,960 and she just felt a hand go down on top 1115 00:59:09,710 --> 00:59:08,050 of her arm and I think you probably 1116 00:59:16,290 --> 00:59:09,720 can't see her dust 1117 00:59:18,180 --> 00:59:16,300 she just ran screaming and the nurse 1118 00:59:20,819 --> 00:59:18,190 that was speaking to she said there is 1119 00:59:25,490 --> 00:59:20,829 something out there and occasionally we 1120 00:59:29,880 --> 00:59:27,990 somebody had died it was trying to get 1121 00:59:36,690 --> 00:59:29,890 by no they were just trying to get back 1122 00:59:38,730 --> 00:59:36,700 in their bed yeah she pointed late from 1123 00:59:41,819 --> 00:59:38,740 left today we had I had seen that shard 1124 00:59:44,550 --> 00:59:41,829 or moving back and forth and and and 1125 00:59:45,900 --> 00:59:44,560 said that is it's out there it's out 1126 00:59:48,300 --> 00:59:45,910 there somewhere and I thought I don't 1127 00:59:49,170 --> 00:59:48,310 tell actually case they took me to the 1128 00:59:51,960 --> 00:59:49,180 psych ward 1129 00:59:55,200 --> 00:59:51,970 yeah I don't tell her what I had seen or 1130 00:59:58,170 --> 00:59:55,210 what happens but I just find that very 1131 01:00:00,030 --> 00:59:58,180 very interesting yeah well you know I've 1132 01:00:03,120 --> 01:00:00,040 always found all that kind of stuff 1133 01:00:08,059 --> 01:00:03,130 about angels really cringe-worthy you 1134 01:00:12,089 --> 01:00:08,069 know when I spoke at your conference 1135 01:00:14,520 --> 01:00:12,099 years ago well when I come when I 1136 01:00:16,970 --> 01:00:14,530 finished was hog and I wait to get a cup 1137 01:00:20,460 --> 01:00:16,980 of coffee I got collared by this guy and 1138 01:00:22,890 --> 01:00:20,470 he was saying the other message for me 1139 01:00:25,500 --> 01:00:22,900 and he didn't know why he was there he'd 1140 01:00:28,230 --> 01:00:25,510 come on this urge and as soon as he 1141 01:00:32,030 --> 01:00:28,240 heard me talk he knew he was there 1142 01:00:36,839 --> 01:00:32,040 because I you know because of me and 1143 01:00:39,900 --> 01:00:36,849 that he had a message that I had to talk 1144 01:00:41,849 --> 01:00:39,910 to the Angels and all this stuff and I 1145 01:00:43,200 --> 01:00:41,859 was like alright okay you know funny 1146 01:00:46,079 --> 01:00:43,210 I've been thinking about the Angels 1147 01:00:48,210 --> 01:00:46,089 you'd sent me them an angel cards and I 1148 01:00:49,589 --> 01:00:48,220 thought it was quite you know ironic it 1149 01:00:51,780 --> 01:00:49,599 couldn't a bit quirky that he was 1150 01:00:55,049 --> 01:00:51,790 talking about this but you know I said 1151 01:00:58,140 --> 01:00:55,059 well I want you know I'm just standing 1152 01:01:00,079 --> 01:00:58,150 in for somebody it was weird how well 1153 01:01:03,210 --> 01:01:00,089 this talk came around and he was like 1154 01:01:05,910 --> 01:01:03,220 you're here because of me the Angels 1155 01:01:07,680 --> 01:01:05,920 arranged it from so that I could you 1156 01:01:10,890 --> 01:01:07,690 know for him it was wrong because of him 1157 01:01:13,020 --> 01:01:10,900 and I sort of thought well I thought I 1158 01:01:14,609 --> 01:01:13,030 know what you're trying to say but I was 1159 01:01:15,150 --> 01:01:14,619 just like all right yeah yeah nice one 1160 01:01:18,180 --> 01:01:15,160 Thanks 1161 01:01:20,160 --> 01:01:18,190 and then and then you know it got on my 1162 01:01:22,500 --> 01:01:20,170 nerves I've trip it I thought I've 1163 01:01:24,690 --> 01:01:22,510 actually put myself out there for years 1164 01:01:26,490 --> 01:01:24,700 and years and years and this has all 1165 01:01:28,859 --> 01:01:26,500 come about for me speak in here and now 1166 01:01:30,569 --> 01:01:28,869 not because I'm supposed to be there to 1167 01:01:32,789 --> 01:01:30,579 get this message from the Angels and 1168 01:01:41,430 --> 01:01:32,799 he's my messenger it's because of work 1169 01:01:44,789 --> 01:01:41,440 my ass off there's like a lucky that you 1170 01:01:47,579 --> 01:01:44,799 come into my life so he was telling me 1171 01:01:49,799 --> 01:01:47,589 that I need to study the nine and Saturn 1172 01:01:52,589 --> 01:01:49,809 and all this you know something cult of 1173 01:01:55,559 --> 01:01:52,599 Saturn and I was like oh yeah kinda know 1174 01:01:55,920 --> 01:01:55,569 a bit about that and it's really not my 1175 01:02:02,910 --> 01:01:55,930 thing 1176 01:02:06,180 --> 01:02:02,920 and you know it's a bit dark really but 1177 01:02:08,760 --> 01:02:06,190 I thought you know coming in telling me 1178 01:02:09,420 --> 01:02:08,770 to invite the Angels into my life and 1179 01:02:12,100 --> 01:02:09,430 then 1180 01:02:14,620 --> 01:02:12,110 Saturn was one of them and obviously sat 1181 01:02:18,310 --> 01:02:14,630 on his sayin so I don't know what his 1182 01:02:19,720 --> 01:02:18,320 deal was at all but then you'd I kind of 1183 01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:19,730 infused sent me the angel cause before 1184 01:02:24,730 --> 01:02:22,010 our after it was all about the same time 1185 01:02:26,620 --> 01:02:24,740 then a couple of the people that I know 1186 01:02:28,330 --> 01:02:26,630 who were psychics that kept saying to me 1187 01:02:29,950 --> 01:02:28,340 stuff about the angels or you need to 1188 01:02:33,130 --> 01:02:29,960 talk to the Angels you need to get to 1189 01:02:35,109 --> 01:02:33,140 know the Angels the angels you know 1190 01:02:36,400 --> 01:02:35,119 waiting for you to talk to them and all 1191 01:02:38,050 --> 01:02:36,410 this kind of stuff and it was all 1192 01:02:39,700 --> 01:02:38,060 different people I was like don't 1193 01:02:47,170 --> 01:02:39,710 believe in angels 1194 01:02:50,920 --> 01:02:47,180 but I understand archetypes and so if we 1195 01:02:52,450 --> 01:02:50,930 talk about it like that then I don't my 1196 01:02:54,609 --> 01:02:52,460 skin doesn't crawl off my body and run 1197 01:02:56,290 --> 01:02:54,619 away because I don't know I think it's 1198 01:02:59,230 --> 01:02:56,300 certain types of people that have put me 1199 01:03:01,150 --> 01:02:59,240 off the language issues I understand 1200 01:03:02,770 --> 01:03:01,160 that yeah because it would put me off if 1201 01:03:05,260 --> 01:03:02,780 somebody walked up to me and said and 1202 01:03:08,170 --> 01:03:05,270 the angels brought me here to speak to 1203 01:03:11,680 --> 01:03:08,180 you I would just look at them blankly 1204 01:03:20,590 --> 01:03:11,690 and think you know I can speak to the 1205 01:03:23,380 --> 01:03:20,600 Angels fine without you some people are 1206 01:03:26,230 --> 01:03:23,390 just a bit or didn't the way that they 1207 01:03:29,560 --> 01:03:26,240 put things like across and as you say it 1208 01:03:32,620 --> 01:03:29,570 can be quite off-putting yeah well yeah 1209 01:03:36,220 --> 01:03:32,630 but there's a members it's just the 1210 01:03:39,070 --> 01:03:36,230 whole energy around all of that that 1211 01:03:42,150 --> 01:03:39,080 freaks me out I can obviously feel it I 1212 01:03:45,160 --> 01:03:42,160 can feel that this there's some truth to 1213 01:03:49,030 --> 01:03:45,170 whatever the angels are but they're not 1214 01:03:50,770 --> 01:03:49,040 angels in that kind of Christian 1215 01:03:55,780 --> 01:03:50,780 biblical sense 1216 01:03:58,090 --> 01:03:55,790 no they're they're independent of 1217 01:03:59,710 --> 01:03:58,100 religion mmm well this is the thing that 1218 01:04:01,810 --> 01:03:59,720 has always bothered me it's like 1219 01:04:04,510 --> 01:04:01,820 religion is a man-made thing it's a 1220 01:04:09,540 --> 01:04:04,520 construct mm-hmm and these things 1221 01:04:15,150 --> 01:04:09,550 existed before all of that they exist so 1222 01:04:18,910 --> 01:04:15,160 see the angels were an ark i young and 1223 01:04:21,220 --> 01:04:18,920 said that the angels were an archetype 1224 01:04:24,339 --> 01:04:21,230 of their own 1225 01:04:26,140 --> 01:04:24,349 they were one of the archetypes I'm sure 1226 01:04:30,150 --> 01:04:26,150 I mentioned that in my talk because my 1227 01:04:33,849 --> 01:04:30,160 talk was on angels yeah uh-huh 1228 01:04:37,690 --> 01:04:33,859 and so the you know the various 1229 01:04:42,730 --> 01:04:37,700 archetypes but I remember reading the 1230 01:04:47,410 --> 01:04:42,740 young distinguish that the angel was was 1231 01:04:49,270 --> 01:04:47,420 one of those archetypes helps to there's 1232 01:04:50,620 --> 01:04:49,280 not just one angel though is there 1233 01:04:53,530 --> 01:04:50,630 there's like a whole heap of different 1234 01:04:57,190 --> 01:04:53,540 angels with all different attributes and 1235 01:04:58,720 --> 01:04:57,200 lent their structure that that is the 1236 01:05:03,250 --> 01:04:58,730 whole point of them having different 1237 01:05:06,220 --> 01:05:03,260 attributes which can relate to that some 1238 01:05:08,170 --> 01:05:06,230 of the ancient gods as well exactly 1239 01:05:11,609 --> 01:05:08,180 there's so many mirrors that go through 1240 01:05:14,980 --> 01:05:11,619 it all there has to be some kind of 1241 01:05:20,950 --> 01:05:14,990 actuality there some truth and not just 1242 01:05:25,000 --> 01:05:20,960 this conceptual you know set of ideals 1243 01:05:30,450 --> 01:05:25,010 that become sort of you know religious 1244 01:05:33,400 --> 01:05:30,460 dogma but Sarika 1245 01:05:35,650 --> 01:05:33,410 it was probably a sleep time delete year 1246 01:05:42,970 --> 01:05:35,660 so I pesos like I meant adopting you 1247 01:05:45,640 --> 01:05:42,980 sometimes what was ii ii see ya the that 1248 01:05:48,520 --> 01:05:45,650 situation going back to that association 1249 01:05:51,819 --> 01:05:48,530 the investigation that I did and when I 1250 01:05:55,120 --> 01:05:51,829 thought I was protected yeah so I don't 1251 01:05:57,309 --> 01:05:55,130 know if that I'm my friend had said to 1252 01:05:59,650 --> 01:05:57,319 me he has his guides were seeing Taylor 1253 01:06:04,300 --> 01:05:59,660 to be careful and then two days later 1254 01:06:08,650 --> 01:06:04,310 I'm in hospital you know and very 1255 01:06:11,849 --> 01:06:08,660 seriously ill so I don't know what I did 1256 01:06:16,480 --> 01:06:11,859 wrong there to not protect myself 1257 01:06:18,819 --> 01:06:16,490 because I thought I had yeah well I 1258 01:06:20,589 --> 01:06:18,829 think that's comes down to that whole 1259 01:06:22,690 --> 01:06:20,599 process thing again isn't it of 1260 01:06:24,760 --> 01:06:22,700 connecting in with these archetypes so 1261 01:06:30,010 --> 01:06:24,770 that the working for is not against us 1262 01:06:33,339 --> 01:06:30,020 and not properly acknowledged in you 1263 01:06:34,569 --> 01:06:33,349 know them I'll just assuming that 1264 01:06:34,930 --> 01:06:34,579 they're going to help you because you've 1265 01:06:37,990 --> 01:06:34,940 decide 1266 01:06:50,380 --> 01:06:38,000 to be a dumbass and go into a haunted 1267 01:06:53,020 --> 01:06:50,390 building tells me I started watching 1268 01:06:56,349 --> 01:06:53,030 that Amy Allen recently and I was like 1269 01:06:57,790 --> 01:06:56,359 oh my god is this all is this what it is 1270 01:06:59,410 --> 01:06:57,800 all around us and we're just kind of 1271 01:07:01,240 --> 01:06:59,420 like wandering through these hospital 1272 01:07:03,550 --> 01:07:01,250 corridors and there's things crawling 1273 01:07:06,940 --> 01:07:03,560 along the walls and you know I really I 1274 01:07:09,700 --> 01:07:06,950 recently watched help my house is 1275 01:07:12,250 --> 01:07:09,710 haunted I've not seen this one it's new 1276 01:07:14,200 --> 01:07:12,260 on top on me and they use the 1277 01:07:17,349 --> 01:07:14,210 destructured light sensor camera in the 1278 01:07:19,990 --> 01:07:17,359 cellar and then this figure appears but 1279 01:07:22,150 --> 01:07:20,000 then it turned into this kind of like it 1280 01:07:23,950 --> 01:07:22,160 looks almost like it start of a box but 1281 01:07:25,960 --> 01:07:23,960 I figured it looked like a spider and 1282 01:07:27,730 --> 01:07:25,970 then when they went outside the psychic 1283 01:07:29,589 --> 01:07:27,740 had this massive spider drop on him so I 1284 01:07:32,620 --> 01:07:29,599 knew it was a spider so I thought right 1285 01:07:35,200 --> 01:07:32,630 okay so the reality of the situation is 1286 01:07:37,780 --> 01:07:35,210 all that stuff in creepy creepy horror 1287 01:07:39,760 --> 01:07:37,790 films where you know the things have got 1288 01:07:44,950 --> 01:07:39,770 long stretchy weird mouths it can be 1289 01:07:47,470 --> 01:07:44,960 half alien half spider you and be that 1290 01:07:50,500 --> 01:07:47,480 weird and and I'm walking around going 1291 01:08:02,190 --> 01:07:50,510 off you go you can't stay here 1292 01:08:08,980 --> 01:08:06,640 sex talk a little thing that has 1293 01:08:14,309 --> 01:08:08,990 actually saved my backside in those 1294 01:08:20,170 --> 01:08:14,319 situations is the banishing ritual so 1295 01:08:23,229 --> 01:08:20,180 that is set in stone as a as a way of 1296 01:08:25,720 --> 01:08:23,239 clearing a space it's an actual thing 1297 01:08:32,800 --> 01:08:25,730 now it's being done that many times 1298 01:08:36,400 --> 01:08:32,810 you know it's ancient so I think is it 1299 01:08:41,280 --> 01:08:36,410 one of the and a cruelly tight you know 1300 01:08:43,960 --> 01:08:41,290 lesser banishing and I'm tight yeah okay 1301 01:08:48,370 --> 01:08:43,970 down the line 1302 01:08:51,990 --> 01:08:48,380 knowledge in the the watchtowers and all 1303 01:08:55,330 --> 01:08:52,000 the rest of it Rafaela royale Gabrielle 1304 01:09:00,670 --> 01:08:55,340 Ezreal Mikayla whichever ones you want 1305 01:09:04,020 --> 01:09:00,680 to use so that has been something that I 1306 01:09:07,210 --> 01:09:04,030 have done without even totally 1307 01:09:11,830 --> 01:09:07,220 understanding whole thing of calling on 1308 01:09:14,770 --> 01:09:11,840 those angels mm-hmm very interesting but 1309 01:09:17,380 --> 01:09:14,780 it is so deluded and I realized that 1310 01:09:19,750 --> 01:09:17,390 most of us just are completely we pick a 1311 01:09:21,310 --> 01:09:19,760 set of things that they're convenient 1312 01:09:25,810 --> 01:09:21,320 for what we want to do 1313 01:09:29,890 --> 01:09:25,820 I was those beliefs and then we act like 1314 01:09:30,910 --> 01:09:29,900 that's an actuality but it's not it's 1315 01:09:35,470 --> 01:09:30,920 just a delusion 1316 01:09:37,080 --> 01:09:35,480 so I'm now obviously thinking well I 1317 01:09:41,110 --> 01:09:37,090 don't want to be throwing myself into a 1318 01:09:43,270 --> 01:09:41,120 nest of demons with a little bunch of 1319 01:09:47,769 --> 01:09:43,280 stay a sage and a bit of frankincense 1320 01:09:54,030 --> 01:09:47,779 and some well-meaning sigils you know 1321 01:10:05,380 --> 01:09:56,740 just feel like everything's because it's 1322 01:10:09,220 --> 01:10:05,390 all very well meanings it I know I know 1323 01:10:11,410 --> 01:10:09,230 they but do you believe that you do have 1324 01:10:14,170 --> 01:10:11,420 power over your own space and that you 1325 01:10:16,300 --> 01:10:14,180 can banish things from your own space 1326 01:10:19,150 --> 01:10:16,310 because you fill it with your energy so 1327 01:10:21,430 --> 01:10:19,160 the times when I've sent a package to 1328 01:10:25,150 --> 01:10:21,440 people in their home and and because I 1329 01:10:27,040 --> 01:10:25,160 can't go myself and do it and it's their 1330 01:10:29,800 --> 01:10:27,050 domain anyway so they've got these 1331 01:10:33,550 --> 01:10:29,810 instructions this little you know 1332 01:10:36,600 --> 01:10:33,560 procedure to do and reclaiming your 1333 01:10:39,640 --> 01:10:36,610 space pushing things out you know 1334 01:10:41,380 --> 01:10:39,650 overwrite in that energy making it so 1335 01:10:43,360 --> 01:10:41,390 uncomfortable for our energy that it 1336 01:10:45,040 --> 01:10:43,370 just doesn't want to be there anymore or 1337 01:10:47,830 --> 01:10:45,050 whatever I think that's got some 1338 01:10:49,600 --> 01:10:47,840 validity because I've actually been a 1339 01:10:51,580 --> 01:10:49,610 hamid person all my life and i have 1340 01:10:53,140 --> 01:10:51,590 weird things that come and go and I 1341 01:10:55,360 --> 01:10:53,150 think his things that have drifted in 1342 01:10:56,470 --> 01:10:55,370 and disappeared again because the 1343 01:11:01,330 --> 01:10:56,480 followed me are 1344 01:11:04,960 --> 01:11:01,340 my kids are whatever so you know my sons 1345 01:11:06,280 --> 01:11:04,970 they stuff sir kind of not all the time 1346 01:11:09,220 --> 01:11:06,290 just every now and again he's seen the 1347 01:11:10,390 --> 01:11:09,230 other thing but he since we've been in 1348 01:11:11,980 --> 01:11:10,400 this house the only thing that he's ever 1349 01:11:14,050 --> 01:11:11,990 seen as being at the other side of the 1350 01:11:15,940 --> 01:11:14,060 road so I thought well nothing's in here 1351 01:11:19,660 --> 01:11:15,950 nothing weird has happened in here apart 1352 01:11:21,550 --> 01:11:19,670 from when I brought that doll in but so 1353 01:11:24,040 --> 01:11:21,560 maybe that actually can on your own 1354 01:11:26,620 --> 01:11:24,050 demand you can keep things out of that 1355 01:11:30,010 --> 01:11:26,630 spit you're on space but I'm not sure 1356 01:11:32,680 --> 01:11:30,020 that you've got any sway you know 1357 01:11:36,610 --> 01:11:32,690 without the power of something huge 1358 01:11:38,500 --> 01:11:36,620 behind you to go into a building that 1359 01:11:43,420 --> 01:11:38,510 might be infested with the deads and 1360 01:11:47,380 --> 01:11:43,430 demons and God knows what else and clear 1361 01:11:51,580 --> 01:11:47,390 it out you know I think spiritually that 1362 01:11:54,250 --> 01:11:51,590 is dangerous and might explain why I 1363 01:11:56,860 --> 01:11:54,260 haven't been well for so long yeah yeah 1364 01:12:00,970 --> 01:11:56,870 yeah I think I've probably made a lot 1365 01:12:03,640 --> 01:12:00,980 the same mistakes too and but I did use 1366 01:12:07,300 --> 01:12:03,650 some stuff that you gave me to do a 1367 01:12:10,270 --> 01:12:07,310 cleansing and here remember that I said 1368 01:12:14,050 --> 01:12:10,280 about having something floating about 1369 01:12:15,400 --> 01:12:14,060 and it was a just I work him and that 1370 01:12:17,080 --> 01:12:15,410 had to come in and I knew there was 1371 01:12:22,840 --> 01:12:17,090 something off about him as soon as he 1372 01:12:25,900 --> 01:12:22,850 come and I I just knew and after he had 1373 01:12:30,370 --> 01:12:25,910 gone it felt like there was still 1374 01:12:34,690 --> 01:12:30,380 someone in the flat and through the 1375 01:12:38,110 --> 01:12:34,700 night and there were noises and the 1376 01:12:40,480 --> 01:12:38,120 hallway that were annoying the cars they 1377 01:12:45,400 --> 01:12:40,490 believed they wouldn't get up and going 1378 01:12:48,070 --> 01:12:45,410 look we're just all staring out into the 1379 01:12:51,130 --> 01:12:48,080 hall you know it's like oh I'll go and 1380 01:12:52,240 --> 01:12:51,140 look shallow then yeah so I got but 1381 01:12:54,640 --> 01:12:52,250 there was nothing I couldn't find 1382 01:12:57,310 --> 01:12:54,650 anything and then the next year come 1383 01:13:00,190 --> 01:12:57,320 through and as I opened the curtains and 1384 01:13:04,750 --> 01:13:00,200 went back went to the kitchen as I was 1385 01:13:07,630 --> 01:13:04,760 walking away it sounded like this a thud 1386 01:13:09,790 --> 01:13:07,640 like a book being slammed on top of 1387 01:13:12,160 --> 01:13:09,800 another book or I hands been 1388 01:13:15,450 --> 01:13:12,170 slammed on top of a book or something 1389 01:13:19,540 --> 01:13:15,460 like that and I you know I um jeito 1390 01:13:24,189 --> 01:13:19,550 weird what what was that and there was 1391 01:13:27,430 --> 01:13:24,199 nothing out of place and then the 1392 01:13:30,220 --> 01:13:27,440 kitchen flooded and at that point you 1393 01:13:33,069 --> 01:13:30,230 know I just enjoyed to the room and 1394 01:13:34,359 --> 01:13:33,079 sadly you cannot come in and take all 1395 01:13:38,319 --> 01:13:34,369 from my home this is my home 1396 01:13:40,450 --> 01:13:38,329 it's not yours and you can get out now 1397 01:13:44,830 --> 01:13:40,460 there was nothing for about a fortnight 1398 01:13:46,930 --> 01:13:44,840 after that and then when they I woke up 1399 01:13:51,549 --> 01:13:46,940 and I was being attacked by this 1400 01:13:53,919 --> 01:13:51,559 invisible force and and you know I was 1401 01:13:56,740 --> 01:13:53,929 kind of like struggling to get lit up 1402 01:14:00,069 --> 01:13:56,750 off the bed and you can say it was sleep 1403 01:14:03,250 --> 01:14:00,079 paralysis whatever but you know I had a 1404 01:14:07,419 --> 01:14:03,260 hold of my my wrists and I was 1405 01:14:09,790 --> 01:14:07,429 struggling to get up and there was 1406 01:14:11,979 --> 01:14:09,800 noises in the walls and there was like 1407 01:14:14,350 --> 01:14:11,989 it was like the bed was shaking the 1408 01:14:15,850 --> 01:14:14,360 moves like the walls were shaking and I 1409 01:14:22,479 --> 01:14:15,860 thought it's not an earthquake what's 1410 01:14:24,640 --> 01:14:22,489 going on and of course you know day one 1411 01:14:26,979 --> 01:14:24,650 of exercise in school don't invite the 1412 01:14:29,560 --> 01:14:26,989 men will what magic um I don't know 1413 01:14:34,299 --> 01:14:29,570 control over what I would think of that 1414 01:14:38,350 --> 01:14:34,309 but I will show you this thing yeah go 1415 01:14:38,360 --> 01:14:48,540 [Laughter] 1416 01:14:54,729 --> 01:14:52,479 but but I was just like so angry I think 1417 01:14:57,459 --> 01:14:54,739 yeah change your fear and anger it's 1418 01:15:01,390 --> 01:14:57,469 very powerful if you if you can harness 1419 01:15:04,720 --> 01:15:01,400 it to to do something not to be 1420 01:15:10,689 --> 01:15:04,730 destructive as such and but it is a 1421 01:15:14,350 --> 01:15:10,699 powerful force to use and yeah it's all 1422 01:15:17,319 --> 01:15:14,360 I don't think I became possessed so that 1423 01:15:20,649 --> 01:15:17,329 was plain nothing for another couple of 1424 01:15:22,030 --> 01:15:20,659 weeks and then then there was more like 1425 01:15:25,570 --> 01:15:22,040 noisy scratch 1426 01:15:28,960 --> 01:15:25,580 some noises and shaky walls and things 1427 01:15:33,640 --> 01:15:28,970 and then there was that night that that 1428 01:15:36,670 --> 01:15:33,650 I mentioned we talked about on SPI 1429 01:15:39,460 --> 01:15:36,680 Scotland that there was this noise came 1430 01:15:41,940 --> 01:15:39,470 from the ceiling and it was like it's 1431 01:15:45,070 --> 01:15:41,950 like yeah it was like hailstones 1432 01:15:45,640 --> 01:15:45,080 battered and off glass but it was on my 1433 01:15:48,400 --> 01:15:45,650 ceiling 1434 01:15:51,760 --> 01:15:48,410 and you know I'm looking up and I'm 1435 01:15:53,710 --> 01:15:51,770 going am i hallucinating this but then I 1436 01:15:57,250 --> 01:15:53,720 turned to the carts and they were both 1437 01:16:00,550 --> 01:15:57,260 looking at the ceiling I hope and out 1438 01:16:03,040 --> 01:16:00,560 their head you know and I you know you 1439 01:16:05,380 --> 01:16:03,050 can tell the clearly kids hear it as 1440 01:16:09,100 --> 01:16:05,390 well and the stove in order for quite a 1441 01:16:12,070 --> 01:16:09,110 while but this is that is something that 1442 01:16:16,120 --> 01:16:12,080 I had read about at that point I was 1443 01:16:20,500 --> 01:16:16,130 actually rating my talk on demons an 1444 01:16:23,410 --> 01:16:20,510 exorcism in possession and there was a 1445 01:16:25,810 --> 01:16:23,420 report of a similar thing though whether 1446 01:16:28,600 --> 01:16:25,820 it was just my imagination and was 1447 01:16:31,390 --> 01:16:28,610 getting the better of me but you know 1448 01:16:33,760 --> 01:16:31,400 all right other things and strange 1449 01:16:37,270 --> 01:16:33,770 paranormal things don't happen when I 1450 01:16:40,780 --> 01:16:37,280 read about other things you know but in 1451 01:16:44,500 --> 01:16:40,790 this case the this report the this 1452 01:16:48,340 --> 01:16:44,510 shaking walls scratchin signs and there 1453 01:16:51,070 --> 01:16:48,350 was this and like hailstone or no and or 1454 01:16:53,640 --> 01:16:51,080 on the ceiling there was all these 1455 01:16:58,000 --> 01:16:53,650 things were mentioned on this report and 1456 01:17:02,680 --> 01:16:58,010 it's the son said father Risinger his 1457 01:17:04,330 --> 01:17:02,690 name was it was a case back in like 1918 1458 01:17:09,940 --> 01:17:04,340 or something like that was really far 1459 01:17:11,980 --> 01:17:09,950 back and that I thought that's that's 1460 01:17:14,440 --> 01:17:11,990 very and trans maybe is just maybe it's 1461 01:17:16,930 --> 01:17:14,450 just my imagination has taken over but 1462 01:17:18,370 --> 01:17:16,940 obviously you know when the cats are 1463 01:17:21,450 --> 01:17:18,380 healed in it as well what's going on 1464 01:17:25,600 --> 01:17:21,460 there it's not just my imagination but 1465 01:17:29,680 --> 01:17:25,610 that was I don't have to do anything yes 1466 01:17:34,180 --> 01:17:29,690 I had done a massive claims and before 1467 01:17:35,979 --> 01:17:34,190 that and maybe that was that just going 1468 01:17:39,750 --> 01:17:35,989 I don't know 1469 01:17:42,700 --> 01:17:39,760 because unless report said that and 1470 01:17:44,439 --> 01:17:42,710 after I cleanse that got an exorcism 1471 01:17:48,419 --> 01:17:44,449 which was basically what I did 1472 01:17:53,830 --> 01:17:48,429 I basically did an exorcism in the house 1473 01:17:55,959 --> 01:17:53,840 that these this is not even maybe maybe 1474 01:18:01,239 --> 01:17:55,969 it's residual energy but it doesn't 1475 01:18:03,720 --> 01:18:01,249 explain it in those terms but I sure do 1476 01:18:07,600 --> 01:18:03,730 I sure it called them something like 1477 01:18:10,209 --> 01:18:07,610 night walkers or rip this up it was a 1478 01:18:13,450 --> 01:18:10,219 tearing like that that they can link it 1479 01:18:15,879 --> 01:18:13,460 up Oh after an exorcism and make these 1480 01:18:19,419 --> 01:18:15,889 noises and things like that but 1481 01:18:25,350 --> 01:18:19,429 otherwise don't seem to do any March 1482 01:18:30,430 --> 01:18:27,850 yeah I think wouldn't be open wait it's 1483 01:18:32,620 --> 01:18:30,440 like you know when you look into their 1484 01:18:34,899 --> 01:18:32,630 best their best looks unto you when you 1485 01:18:39,009 --> 01:18:34,909 start looking at the subject when you 1486 01:18:43,569 --> 01:18:39,019 start looking at the subject it it it 1487 01:18:46,149 --> 01:18:43,579 starts to manifest and so you you do 1488 01:18:48,220 --> 01:18:46,159 have to be very careful about you know 1489 01:18:49,660 --> 01:18:48,230 port your and even like what you're 1490 01:18:53,169 --> 01:18:49,670 reading and what you're watching and 1491 01:18:56,080 --> 01:18:53,179 what you're writing about I don't really 1492 01:18:57,879 --> 01:18:56,090 think if you've got you know if you're 1493 01:19:01,779 --> 01:18:57,889 very open to these things I'm not really 1494 01:19:05,549 --> 01:19:01,789 sure what much you can if there's much 1495 01:19:08,790 --> 01:19:05,559 that you can do about it I mean that 1496 01:19:11,620 --> 01:19:08,800 those may be various things like a 1497 01:19:13,660 --> 01:19:11,630 closing down your third eye and 1498 01:19:18,339 --> 01:19:13,670 protecting your still like you know 1499 01:19:22,779 --> 01:19:18,349 visualizing and protective bubbles that 1500 01:19:27,189 --> 01:19:22,789 are yourself asking the Angels what not 1501 01:19:31,899 --> 01:19:27,199 but you know there's far more religious 1502 01:19:35,410 --> 01:19:31,909 people than either you or I who have you 1503 01:19:38,979 --> 01:19:35,420 know being haunted by by various things 1504 01:19:41,879 --> 01:19:38,989 so I'm just really not sure what what 1505 01:19:45,430 --> 01:19:41,889 else you can do apart from that you know 1506 01:19:47,799 --> 01:19:45,440 yeah well you know it's like you know 1507 01:19:49,450 --> 01:19:47,809 talking about going looking for it so I 1508 01:19:51,880 --> 01:19:49,460 just stopped going looking for 1509 01:19:53,290 --> 01:19:51,890 stop going you know took a couple of 1510 01:19:55,300 --> 01:19:53,300 paranormal investigations and 1511 01:19:57,670 --> 01:19:55,310 what-have-you but you know I don't even 1512 01:19:59,170 --> 01:19:57,680 need to go looking for it because I can 1513 01:20:01,000 --> 01:19:59,180 walk into a charity shop and buy a 1514 01:20:04,500 --> 01:20:01,010 little doll that I want to decorate to 1515 01:20:06,250 --> 01:20:04,510 make it look spooky and bring it 1516 01:20:08,860 --> 01:20:06,260 whatever it was 1517 01:20:11,140 --> 01:20:08,870 into my house through my front door you 1518 01:20:13,780 --> 01:20:11,150 know you talk about inviting it in but 1519 01:20:17,110 --> 01:20:13,790 that's exactly what I did you know I've 1520 01:20:20,729 --> 01:20:17,120 become quite convinced now that because 1521 01:20:23,170 --> 01:20:20,739 I put all these barriers up out for 1522 01:20:24,670 --> 01:20:23,180 basically because someone was scared and 1523 01:20:27,010 --> 01:20:24,680 you'd seen a couple of things and I knew 1524 01:20:28,870 --> 01:20:27,020 we won't like him because he's hair was 1525 01:20:32,500 --> 01:20:28,880 shaking that you know I mean he was he 1526 01:20:34,720 --> 01:20:32,510 was trembling like mouth so I thought 1527 01:20:37,150 --> 01:20:34,730 right you know I'm not having this again 1528 01:20:39,100 --> 01:20:37,160 after that last house in leaser I would 1529 01:20:40,959 --> 01:20:39,110 really really went to town around the 1530 01:20:44,890 --> 01:20:40,969 entire property and in sight and you 1531 01:20:47,080 --> 01:20:44,900 know top to bottom and now around the 1532 01:20:49,270 --> 01:20:47,090 whole garden we've got a drain outside 1533 01:20:51,880 --> 01:20:49,280 the kitchen door so I did a bit of me 1534 01:20:55,360 --> 01:20:51,890 while we were over that as well and you 1535 01:20:58,060 --> 01:20:55,370 know kind of left on to the trees to be 1536 01:20:59,709 --> 01:20:58,070 whatever the spirituals while is because 1537 01:21:02,290 --> 01:20:59,719 it's just a big bunch of trees at the 1538 01:21:04,750 --> 01:21:02,300 bottom of the garden and but it's seen 1539 01:21:07,060 --> 01:21:04,760 half a man made of smoke walk past the 1540 01:21:08,979 --> 01:21:07,070 gate and then he said he saw a red man 1541 01:21:11,709 --> 01:21:08,989 he was all red and he had no face his 1542 01:21:13,300 --> 01:21:11,719 face was just one could read stood on 1543 01:21:17,050 --> 01:21:13,310 the car staring at him through his 1544 01:21:18,370 --> 01:21:17,060 bedroom window and you know he tried it 1545 01:21:19,690 --> 01:21:18,380 on a couple of times after that I said 1546 01:21:21,880 --> 01:21:19,700 something I know when you're lying in 1547 01:21:24,520 --> 01:21:21,890 don't even bother or I won't believe you 1548 01:21:27,070 --> 01:21:24,530 on there you know because when his hairs 1549 01:21:31,930 --> 01:21:27,080 shaking I can see that he's trembling 1550 01:21:33,370 --> 01:21:31,940 you know I mean I'm know so I know that 1551 01:21:35,170 --> 01:21:33,380 he said you know the kids you've got 1552 01:21:37,900 --> 01:21:35,180 McCarthy can encourage them there what 1553 01:21:40,060 --> 01:21:37,910 you know that actually is true because I 1554 01:21:41,620 --> 01:21:40,070 believed him a couple of times you tried 1555 01:21:44,380 --> 01:21:41,630 it Armen but I said to him don't even 1556 01:21:45,760 --> 01:21:44,390 lie I know when you're lying I said I 1557 01:21:47,020 --> 01:21:45,770 can tell your eyes your eyes do 1558 01:21:47,440 --> 01:21:47,030 something I'm not going to tell you what 1559 01:21:51,630 --> 01:21:47,450 it is 1560 01:21:54,370 --> 01:21:51,640 know them all out of me I'll believe it 1561 01:21:55,990 --> 01:21:54,380 somebody said that to me once that I did 1562 01:21:58,810 --> 01:21:56,000 something it showed them that I was line 1563 01:22:01,209 --> 01:21:58,820 mice but they told me what it was and I 1564 01:22:03,160 --> 01:22:01,219 said it's because I knew that I hadn't 1565 01:22:05,020 --> 01:22:03,170 been lying as it is not 1566 01:22:07,660 --> 01:22:05,030 I joined it out online I do that when 1567 01:22:09,940 --> 01:22:07,670 I'm uncomfortable with the question yeah 1568 01:22:12,220 --> 01:22:09,950 so it's not actually that I was lying 1569 01:22:17,830 --> 01:22:12,230 and it was when I was on Sonya I was 1570 01:22:21,640 --> 01:22:17,840 uncomfortable answering that question so 1571 01:22:23,710 --> 01:22:21,650 I think they what I've done 1572 01:22:25,480 --> 01:22:23,720 there's been nothing in the house really 1573 01:22:30,220 --> 01:22:25,490 apart from when I brought back Darlene 1574 01:22:35,140 --> 01:22:30,230 and all them flies on the door and it's 1575 01:22:36,340 --> 01:22:35,150 all that stops no well morally was some 1576 01:22:39,460 --> 01:22:36,350 up in the other day but I'm not in 1577 01:22:41,170 --> 01:22:39,470 Charlie Charlie who is paranormal my son 1578 01:22:42,910 --> 01:22:41,180 walked through the door in the living 1579 01:22:45,970 --> 01:22:42,920 room from the hallway and this little 1580 01:22:50,230 --> 01:22:45,980 doll of madara's it kind of flew past 1581 01:22:51,310 --> 01:22:50,240 him and like he'd thrown it but I knew 1582 01:22:54,370 --> 01:22:51,320 he had let's throw on it because his 1583 01:22:56,980 --> 01:22:54,380 arms were by his side like you know kind 1584 01:22:58,420 --> 01:22:56,990 of like shut the door and turned her in 1585 01:23:02,920 --> 01:22:58,430 the room and they stole just kind of 1586 01:23:04,510 --> 01:23:02,930 like flew past him I think he stopped 1587 01:23:06,670 --> 01:23:04,520 and he looked and he looked at me he 1588 01:23:10,480 --> 01:23:06,680 looked at the doll and I went you know 1589 01:23:14,560 --> 01:23:10,490 it happened but I don't know if it was 1590 01:23:16,000 --> 01:23:14,570 caught on his top I don't know I didn't 1591 01:23:16,870 --> 01:23:16,010 see the other side of it just like fly 1592 01:23:19,300 --> 01:23:16,880 across the room 1593 01:23:22,660 --> 01:23:19,310 but why would it have been on him anyway 1594 01:23:27,250 --> 01:23:22,670 because they've been you know so it just 1595 01:23:30,780 --> 01:23:27,260 didn't make sense so that's pretty much 1596 01:23:34,930 --> 01:23:30,790 the only weird thing since then but I do 1597 01:23:37,720 --> 01:23:34,940 it's sort of completely suffocate the 1598 01:23:40,080 --> 01:23:37,730 house with frankincense and stuff like 1599 01:23:43,420 --> 01:23:40,090 that you know 1600 01:23:47,710 --> 01:23:43,430 well I used you you gave me black salt 1601 01:23:51,370 --> 01:23:47,720 I used that on my door I used holy water 1602 01:23:54,310 --> 01:23:51,380 the from Caffyn grotto and that I had 1603 01:23:57,790 --> 01:23:54,320 also blessed as well and holy oil that I 1604 01:23:59,710 --> 01:23:57,800 had made myself and then you know that 1605 01:24:04,630 --> 01:23:59,720 all these things were rained the entire 1606 01:24:10,480 --> 01:24:04,640 house and salt consecrated salts and 1607 01:24:13,420 --> 01:24:10,490 incense well I used so many herbs that 1608 01:24:19,120 --> 01:24:13,430 are even know what early you know 1609 01:24:22,550 --> 01:24:19,130 asafoetida and synced file and you know 1610 01:24:26,840 --> 01:24:22,560 sage as well but I use white salt black 1611 01:24:31,910 --> 01:24:26,850 salt pink salt salt and sulfur and some 1612 01:24:36,050 --> 01:24:31,920 salt and a mile well I say that demons 1613 01:24:40,190 --> 01:24:36,060 don't like sweet fragrances obviously 1614 01:24:45,080 --> 01:24:40,200 you know it's kind of the opposite of 1615 01:24:47,150 --> 01:24:45,090 demonic is something sweet so things 1616 01:24:50,110 --> 01:24:47,160 like frankincense and myrrh which is a 1617 01:24:54,560 --> 01:24:50,120 little bit sweet children and say 1618 01:25:01,040 --> 01:24:54,570 sandalwood would be a good thing to have 1619 01:25:03,740 --> 01:25:01,050 Behrman in the house I've gone round the 1620 01:25:06,470 --> 01:25:03,750 garden with them as well and I've got 1621 01:25:10,520 --> 01:25:06,480 brick dust and black salt and everything 1622 01:25:12,560 --> 01:25:10,530 on the doorways all around the windows 1623 01:25:14,180 --> 01:25:12,570 have been as well obviously not the 1624 01:25:17,390 --> 01:25:14,190 upstairs windows but I've done them from 1625 01:25:22,060 --> 01:25:17,400 the inside so you know you could only 1626 01:25:26,060 --> 01:25:22,070 eat it I think one of the things that 1627 01:25:28,640 --> 01:25:26,070 the bishop was saying as the the main 1628 01:25:31,850 --> 01:25:28,650 thing of it all which ties in with my 1629 01:25:37,400 --> 01:25:31,860 kind of magical and occult knowledge is 1630 01:25:39,770 --> 01:25:37,410 intent your intention is you know if you 1631 01:25:42,320 --> 01:25:39,780 have a pure intention and that's a 1632 01:25:44,090 --> 01:25:42,330 really powerful thing so maybe that's 1633 01:25:47,570 --> 01:25:44,100 carried my backside through some of 1634 01:25:50,720 --> 01:25:47,580 these instances where I put myself in 1635 01:25:55,040 --> 01:25:50,730 the path of God knows what thinking you 1636 01:25:57,350 --> 01:25:55,050 know just personal energy intent and 1637 01:26:00,590 --> 01:25:57,360 we'll we'll do it but in some instances 1638 01:26:02,840 --> 01:26:00,600 it has but there's something not to me 1639 01:26:05,690 --> 01:26:02,850 always in the back of my mind is that 1640 01:26:09,200 --> 01:26:05,700 you know when you die if this is you you 1641 01:26:12,650 --> 01:26:09,210 meet machine dies but you don't and 1642 01:26:15,650 --> 01:26:12,660 whatever you've learned in this life you 1643 01:26:18,290 --> 01:26:15,660 take back with you as knowledge and I've 1644 01:26:20,180 --> 01:26:18,300 had a lot of dealings with the chaos 1645 01:26:22,610 --> 01:26:20,190 temple and and are quite a few chaos 1646 01:26:25,220 --> 01:26:22,620 magicians and they're quite a scary 1647 01:26:25,970 --> 01:26:25,230 bunch really some of them or not but a 1648 01:26:29,090 --> 01:26:25,980 lot of them 1649 01:26:32,060 --> 01:26:29,100 quite odd it really attracts the misfits 1650 01:26:33,590 --> 01:26:32,070 and they do really strange things and I 1651 01:26:35,240 --> 01:26:33,600 don't think they really believe in what 1652 01:26:38,000 --> 01:26:35,250 the doing because if the date and the 1653 01:26:39,710 --> 01:26:38,010 new up energy they were creating and you 1654 01:26:41,390 --> 01:26:39,720 know making magical entities and things 1655 01:26:42,860 --> 01:26:41,400 like that and I don't think they'd 1656 01:26:44,360 --> 01:26:42,870 actually do it if they could see it you 1657 01:26:46,510 --> 01:26:44,370 know like in Harry Potter world if he 1658 01:26:49,730 --> 01:26:46,520 could actually see what they were doing 1659 01:26:51,830 --> 01:26:49,740 and one of the things that concerns me 1660 01:26:55,220 --> 01:26:51,840 is that I actually named one of their 1661 01:26:57,320 --> 01:26:55,230 meetings I wasn't part of the care 1662 01:26:58,850 --> 01:26:57,330 simple but I was in a temple group and 1663 01:27:03,620 --> 01:26:58,860 one of the people that was in the group 1664 01:27:09,230 --> 01:27:03,630 and it was a is an elder in the chaos 1665 01:27:13,100 --> 01:27:09,240 temple in Leeds and she was putting on 1666 01:27:15,020 --> 01:27:13,110 this event a gathering and she was 1667 01:27:17,360 --> 01:27:15,030 trying to think of a name and I was just 1668 01:27:19,010 --> 01:27:17,370 we all kind of suck my thinking or what 1669 01:27:22,760 --> 01:27:19,020 sure you know like trying to help her 1670 01:27:25,400 --> 01:27:22,770 and I never ever entered my head he came 1671 01:27:29,380 --> 01:27:25,410 out of my mouth unheard or unthought-of 1672 01:27:32,930 --> 01:27:29,390 by me at all I just said northern rites 1673 01:27:34,970 --> 01:27:32,940 and she just looked at me and wrote it 1674 01:27:37,010 --> 01:27:34,980 down and that was it then I thought and 1675 01:27:42,350 --> 01:27:37,020 ever since then I thought oh my god no 1676 01:27:45,580 --> 01:27:42,360 I've named something Oh what is the 1677 01:27:47,930 --> 01:27:45,590 spiritual backlash of that going to me I 1678 01:27:51,050 --> 01:27:47,940 don't I haven't got to that lesson yet 1679 01:27:53,750 --> 01:27:51,060 with the bishop but you know there are 1680 01:27:55,880 --> 01:27:53,760 consequences for all the things that we 1681 01:27:58,910 --> 01:27:55,890 do and we're just so unaware and they're 1682 01:28:00,470 --> 01:27:58,920 really influences and you know I'm 1683 01:28:02,660 --> 01:28:00,480 trying to get to grips of that but 1684 01:28:05,960 --> 01:28:02,670 getting to grips with it means they have 1685 01:28:10,700 --> 01:28:05,970 to get to grips with religion which I've 1686 01:28:12,500 --> 01:28:10,710 always shunned and understand that and 1687 01:28:19,010 --> 01:28:12,510 that was that was a possession that I 1688 01:28:20,450 --> 01:28:19,020 was on a few years back and decided okay 1689 01:28:23,410 --> 01:28:20,460 you know what I'm going to throw myself 1690 01:28:26,600 --> 01:28:23,420 into this I'm going to spend a year and 1691 01:28:28,760 --> 01:28:26,610 either you know at it you can actually 1692 01:28:31,520 --> 01:28:28,770 go online if you can't be bothered to 1693 01:28:33,200 --> 01:28:31,530 know or if you can't go out and you know 1694 01:28:35,919 --> 01:28:33,210 because I know you get some difficulty 1695 01:28:38,500 --> 01:28:35,929 as well so you can go online and 1696 01:28:40,899 --> 01:28:38,510 you can watch therapist is online now 1697 01:28:43,780 --> 01:28:40,909 what so what I did was I D though you 1698 01:28:47,530 --> 01:28:43,790 know take part noise so that would 1699 01:28:49,209 --> 01:28:47,540 include the nucleus so I would have but 1700 01:28:51,790 --> 01:28:49,219 I didn't wane at the appropriate time 1701 01:28:54,070 --> 01:28:51,800 and and just M joined n mother and and I 1702 01:28:56,080 --> 01:28:54,080 was as I say I was looking at it from an 1703 01:29:00,399 --> 01:28:56,090 outside point of view what are people 1704 01:29:03,390 --> 01:29:00,409 getting out of this and it really also 1705 01:29:10,590 --> 01:29:03,400 attended a church nearby 1706 01:29:13,750 --> 01:29:10,600 it really gave me um a real insight into 1707 01:29:17,830 --> 01:29:13,760 what it was a very important was doing 1708 01:29:19,660 --> 01:29:17,840 and and how it applied to me so I think 1709 01:29:22,570 --> 01:29:19,670 you know when you want to get your head 1710 01:29:25,750 --> 01:29:22,580 around something you have to throw 1711 01:29:30,760 --> 01:29:25,760 yourself into you know 100 percent 1712 01:29:34,149 --> 01:29:30,770 you know just attend services or whether 1713 01:29:38,020 --> 01:29:34,159 it's online or whether it's you know in 1714 01:29:40,090 --> 01:29:38,030 person yeah and you're probably it 1715 01:29:42,520 --> 01:29:40,100 wouldn't maybe not like the first couple 1716 01:29:45,760 --> 01:29:42,530 times it will probably be something that 1717 01:29:48,640 --> 01:29:45,770 if you just observe from a distance over 1718 01:29:52,300 --> 01:29:48,650 time it you'll realize what it as this 1719 01:29:53,890 --> 01:29:52,310 happen I have no idea what goes on 1720 01:29:55,950 --> 01:29:53,900 inside the church because I have no I 1721 01:29:59,140 --> 01:29:55,960 haven't been to a church service 1722 01:30:00,100 --> 01:29:59,150 probably since I was about seven maybe 1723 01:30:01,810 --> 01:30:00,110 even younger than that 1724 01:30:03,610 --> 01:30:01,820 I do remember actually going into a 1725 01:30:05,950 --> 01:30:03,620 church couple of times probably with my 1726 01:30:09,220 --> 01:30:05,960 grandparents summer dad's an atheist and 1727 01:30:11,770 --> 01:30:09,230 my mom's really not religious at all so 1728 01:30:13,930 --> 01:30:11,780 I you know I have assumed it's all 1729 01:30:17,560 --> 01:30:13,940 really dull and boring and and I'll just 1730 01:30:18,850 --> 01:30:17,570 fall asleep you know hour of my head 1731 01:30:23,649 --> 01:30:18,860 I'll start spinning around and I'll 1732 01:30:28,090 --> 01:30:23,659 start spewing green slime I'll have a 1733 01:30:31,060 --> 01:30:28,100 heart attack when I was baptized I had 1734 01:30:33,640 --> 01:30:31,070 an exorcism done as part of them that's 1735 01:30:35,919 --> 01:30:33,650 I just didn't think for me because 1736 01:30:38,380 --> 01:30:35,929 somebody I was talking to said to me you 1737 01:30:40,090 --> 01:30:38,390 probably need an exorcism because lived 1738 01:30:42,459 --> 01:30:40,100 in that haunted house about the laws of 1739 01:30:44,620 --> 01:30:42,469 Pontus to farm in life and I've been 1740 01:30:46,120 --> 01:30:44,630 told by a couple of people that I picked 1741 01:30:48,189 --> 01:30:46,130 this up when I was a child when I was in 1742 01:30:49,520 --> 01:30:48,199 hospital so when I was a child was and I 1743 01:30:54,080 --> 01:30:49,530 was in hospital was when I 1744 01:30:56,899 --> 01:30:54,090 almost died so you know did something 1745 01:30:58,760 --> 01:30:56,909 happen then I kind of think that I was 1746 01:30:59,600 --> 01:30:58,770 influenced into the situation where I 1747 01:31:02,180 --> 01:30:59,610 nearly died 1748 01:31:04,520 --> 01:31:02,190 so because I can remember it so clearly 1749 01:31:06,080 --> 01:31:04,530 and something's screaming at me there's 1750 01:31:08,510 --> 01:31:06,090 a reason that you can remember that so 1751 01:31:12,890 --> 01:31:08,520 clearly you know there was some sort of 1752 01:31:15,049 --> 01:31:12,900 I don't know no sound like a crazy 1753 01:31:17,680 --> 01:31:15,059 person but anyway no I mean that's the 1754 01:31:20,419 --> 01:31:17,690 shamanic thing again you know the and 1755 01:31:23,660 --> 01:31:20,429 quite often people who have had a 1756 01:31:30,109 --> 01:31:26,779 i I had one as well when I was about to 1757 01:31:38,750 --> 01:31:30,119 I choked on a on a sweetie 1758 01:31:41,319 --> 01:31:38,760 but stolen I was in bed and my dad was 1759 01:31:45,200 --> 01:31:41,329 down the stairs and and and he had this 1760 01:31:49,490 --> 01:31:45,210 coffin some strange noises and when 1761 01:31:51,649 --> 01:31:49,500 human n my face was blue and it took 1762 01:31:53,720 --> 01:31:51,659 several minutes made me time dot sight 1763 01:31:57,799 --> 01:31:53,730 down and all the rest of it and 1764 01:32:01,069 --> 01:31:57,809 eventually this sweetie Porto and there 1765 01:32:03,459 --> 01:32:01,079 it just at that fairly woman the 1766 01:32:06,200 --> 01:32:03,469 ambulance Ferrara and I remember this I 1767 01:32:09,529 --> 01:32:06,210 remember the ambulance meant walking 1768 01:32:12,080 --> 01:32:09,539 into the house and I remember it was 1769 01:32:15,950 --> 01:32:12,090 almost like an instant you know I don't 1770 01:32:18,140 --> 01:32:15,960 like well I don't remember standing 1771 01:32:21,020 --> 01:32:18,150 there like coffin and whatever I 1772 01:32:28,520 --> 01:32:21,030 remember turning around and saying this 1773 01:32:31,549 --> 01:32:28,530 is my house who are you I don't know two 1774 01:32:36,830 --> 01:32:31,559 three at the most but I remember like 1775 01:32:40,970 --> 01:32:36,840 they perfectly so this is a you know 1776 01:32:45,169 --> 01:32:40,980 what a shamanic thing to have been in a 1777 01:32:49,450 --> 01:32:45,179 near-death situation and also the shame 1778 01:32:54,470 --> 01:32:49,460 and as the the wounded healer yeah so 1779 01:32:57,919 --> 01:32:54,480 quite often or I think that there will 1780 01:33:00,700 --> 01:32:57,929 be something about us and then in our 1781 01:33:02,440 --> 01:33:00,710 case we've got a lot of health and she 1782 01:33:04,210 --> 01:33:02,450 somebody said to me is because she 1783 01:33:10,420 --> 01:33:04,220 walked into the afterlife and you 1784 01:33:13,150 --> 01:33:10,430 weren't dead yet paraphrase their engine 1785 01:33:18,040 --> 01:33:13,160 of state basically I still glow in like 1786 01:33:20,230 --> 01:33:18,050 you know I thought that was an 1787 01:33:24,100 --> 01:33:20,240 interesting comment but you know I don't 1788 01:33:27,100 --> 01:33:24,110 know it do you open the door is it the 1789 01:33:28,720 --> 01:33:27,110 door just in your mind no it can't be 1790 01:33:30,850 --> 01:33:28,730 I think it's available when you're not 1791 01:33:32,950 --> 01:33:30,860 powerful person less I think that you 1792 01:33:36,640 --> 01:33:32,960 are and you've got quite a powerful 1793 01:33:40,060 --> 01:33:36,650 personality and you and what you've been 1794 01:33:42,280 --> 01:33:40,070 involved in all this and I don't know 1795 01:33:47,110 --> 01:33:42,290 whether you do any healing or anything 1796 01:33:50,770 --> 01:33:47,120 like that but yeah so so you've got that 1797 01:33:53,380 --> 01:33:50,780 ability as well and and you've used it 1798 01:33:56,050 --> 01:33:53,390 and I think that if you you know you 1799 01:33:59,980 --> 01:33:56,060 mentioned this of shining you know 1800 01:34:02,500 --> 01:33:59,990 that's of late and I think that and this 1801 01:34:06,280 --> 01:34:02,510 I'm sure it can all be seen enough order 1802 01:34:08,590 --> 01:34:06,290 around us and buy whatever entities I 1803 01:34:11,380 --> 01:34:08,600 think that they are like moths to a 1804 01:34:13,750 --> 01:34:11,390 flame Jordan to that and perhaps 1805 01:34:16,030 --> 01:34:13,760 although they are negative maybe they 1806 01:34:19,840 --> 01:34:16,040 want some of that maybe they want to be 1807 01:34:21,340 --> 01:34:19,850 healed in some way do you think you're 1808 01:34:23,470 --> 01:34:21,350 right about the moths moths 1809 01:34:26,410 --> 01:34:23,480 like around a flame kind of thing 1810 01:34:28,720 --> 01:34:26,420 because you know one of the psychics 1811 01:34:30,190 --> 01:34:28,730 that I know told me I needed to do 1812 01:34:33,550 --> 01:34:30,200 something with the tree at the bottom of 1813 01:34:37,600 --> 01:34:33,560 the garden turned into some sort of doll 1814 01:34:40,240 --> 01:34:37,610 way because there are blood of people 1815 01:34:43,800 --> 01:34:40,250 lining up at the wall at the side of the 1816 01:34:46,720 --> 01:34:43,810 house on the I've got a wall it's like a 1817 01:34:48,700 --> 01:34:46,730 who I don't know and didn't meet hundred 1818 01:34:53,350 --> 01:34:48,710 foot long or something maybe even my's 1819 01:34:55,810 --> 01:34:53,360 massive and I don't go down there but my 1820 01:34:58,300 --> 01:34:55,820 daughter sort of recent months has been 1821 01:34:59,950 --> 01:34:58,310 saying well I feel really creepy on that 1822 01:35:02,410 --> 01:34:59,960 room for some reason she doesn't don't 1823 01:35:04,030 --> 01:35:02,420 be far and one of the psychics that I 1824 01:35:06,460 --> 01:35:04,040 know said are there's a few people 1825 01:35:08,290 --> 01:35:06,470 lining up you live on a cross roadster 1826 01:35:10,180 --> 01:35:08,300 yeah and you've got a tree at the bottom 1827 01:35:11,950 --> 01:35:10,190 of the garden it would be a really good 1828 01:35:13,679 --> 01:35:11,960 idea if you turn that tree into a way 1829 01:35:15,810 --> 01:35:13,689 out so 1830 01:35:17,520 --> 01:35:15,820 kind of like went and tried to clear a 1831 01:35:20,250 --> 01:35:17,530 space in front of it you know sort of 1832 01:35:22,379 --> 01:35:20,260 like so can make it to put some energy 1833 01:35:23,699 --> 01:35:22,389 into it anyway and as I was clearing the 1834 01:35:27,989 --> 01:35:23,709 leaves and all the bits of twigs and 1835 01:35:30,029 --> 01:35:27,999 things away I found a door handle right 1836 01:35:32,219 --> 01:35:30,039 at the bottom of the tree I was like oh 1837 01:35:34,140 --> 01:35:32,229 right okay so there's a little groove in 1838 01:35:36,180 --> 01:35:34,150 the tree so I just laughed and shook the 1839 01:35:41,479 --> 01:35:36,190 door underlain on the way legit our way 1840 01:35:44,399 --> 01:35:41,489 [Laughter] 1841 01:35:46,799 --> 01:35:44,409 I don't know what to do so kind of add a 1842 01:35:49,529 --> 01:35:46,809 little humbled ceremony type thing and 1843 01:35:51,149 --> 01:35:49,539 I'll do that once a week and then I got 1844 01:35:53,489 --> 01:35:51,159 freaked out by some of the stuff that 1845 01:35:55,259 --> 01:35:53,499 the bishop was saying and so I've just 1846 01:35:57,000 --> 01:35:55,269 kind of like went around the garden 1847 01:35:59,790 --> 01:35:57,010 again and made this barrier at the 1848 01:36:01,649 --> 01:35:59,800 bottom abut across the tree so that the 1849 01:36:03,689 --> 01:36:01,659 way the compost heap is and then there's 1850 01:36:06,149 --> 01:36:03,699 like a wood pile and then there's this 1851 01:36:08,370 --> 01:36:06,159 tree and the bottom of it is so enormous 1852 01:36:11,699 --> 01:36:08,380 I could only get my arms halfway around 1853 01:36:13,890 --> 01:36:11,709 it and that it gets to be about I don't 1854 01:36:16,890 --> 01:36:13,900 know just a bit taller than that I am 1855 01:36:19,439 --> 01:36:16,900 and then it breaks out into sort of 1856 01:36:22,830 --> 01:36:19,449 seven fingers that go up to the sky it's 1857 01:36:25,109 --> 01:36:22,840 amazing and it's like a little Bowl in 1858 01:36:26,850 --> 01:36:25,119 the middle of it and I thought I need to 1859 01:36:28,640 --> 01:36:26,860 clear that out and he said you know make 1860 01:36:32,159 --> 01:36:28,650 some offerings or something in there and 1861 01:36:34,020 --> 01:36:32,169 kind of do that thing because if I 1862 01:36:35,549 --> 01:36:34,030 wasn't meant to be doing this kind of 1863 01:36:37,229 --> 01:36:35,559 thing then I wouldn't be doing it my 1864 01:36:38,819 --> 01:36:37,239 whole life wouldn't have been shoving me 1865 01:36:41,790 --> 01:36:38,829 towards it well I've been trying to run 1866 01:36:43,560 --> 01:36:41,800 away from it so I kind of figured that I 1867 01:36:46,319 --> 01:36:43,570 needed to learn more about it which is 1868 01:36:50,790 --> 01:36:46,329 how I ended up on this course with the 1869 01:36:52,979 --> 01:36:50,800 bishop and I'm going to do it but you 1870 01:36:56,909 --> 01:36:52,989 know are even joke today if I said oh 1871 01:37:01,290 --> 01:36:56,919 I've got a Bible now you know all right 1872 01:37:04,770 --> 01:37:01,300 even got a church very american standard 1873 01:37:06,839 --> 01:37:04,780 bible is it make it i am i've only kind 1874 01:37:07,859 --> 01:37:06,849 of had a little glance at it really it's 1875 01:37:10,140 --> 01:37:07,869 very difficult 1876 01:37:12,299 --> 01:37:10,150 i'm gonna have to have a word with 1877 01:37:16,319 --> 01:37:12,309 myself because it's hard for me to read 1878 01:37:20,100 --> 01:37:16,329 because I've rejected this for 48 years 1879 01:37:22,620 --> 01:37:20,110 mm-hmm you know and I need to kind of 1880 01:37:25,560 --> 01:37:22,630 get some more grips I think with what 1881 01:37:26,609 --> 01:37:25,570 he's saying about archetypes and I 1882 01:37:31,080 --> 01:37:26,619 better understand 1883 01:37:35,310 --> 01:37:31,090 that which interestingly he is doing 1884 01:37:38,520 --> 01:37:35,320 through the medium of Tarot using the 1885 01:37:42,000 --> 01:37:38,530 major arcana to describe who the 1886 01:37:46,140 --> 01:37:42,010 architects are so you know I've always 1887 01:37:48,240 --> 01:37:46,150 had trouble with Terra and it's some so 1888 01:37:55,589 --> 01:37:48,250 much information too much information 78 1889 01:38:01,080 --> 01:37:55,599 cards you might want to go to sleep just 1890 01:38:03,149 --> 01:38:01,090 thinking about them but when it come to 1891 01:38:06,089 --> 01:38:03,159 the kind of like reading the box and 1892 01:38:08,419 --> 01:38:06,099 looking at things that yeah no I 1893 01:38:13,580 --> 01:38:08,429 actually I'm quite the same I only 1894 01:38:17,570 --> 01:38:13,590 really read them intuitively so yeah so 1895 01:38:21,000 --> 01:38:17,580 there's all that kind of insight now and 1896 01:38:24,260 --> 01:38:21,010 who knows what the future holds but I we 1897 01:38:26,580 --> 01:38:24,270 had a conversation a year or so ago and 1898 01:38:27,839 --> 01:38:26,590 we know what is it that you're working 1899 01:38:29,640 --> 01:38:27,849 towards what is it that you feel 1900 01:38:33,120 --> 01:38:29,650 yourself you wanting to do when we both 1901 01:38:37,379 --> 01:38:33,130 said exorcisms not really which was so 1902 01:38:40,950 --> 01:38:37,389 never met anybody so it was say that you 1903 01:38:43,589 --> 01:38:40,960 know which is crazy because then 1904 01:38:44,700 --> 01:38:43,599 obviously some archetypal maneuverings 1905 01:38:46,589 --> 01:38:44,710 have been going on 1906 01:38:49,109 --> 01:38:46,599 so even give us that mirror you know 1907 01:38:51,689 --> 01:38:49,119 mm-hmm I just definitely because it's 1908 01:38:55,800 --> 01:38:51,699 not just that those other things that we 1909 01:38:58,350 --> 01:38:55,810 are very very similar about but yeah 1910 01:39:01,229 --> 01:38:58,360 that that is definitely I felt that for 1911 01:39:05,280 --> 01:39:01,239 the last few years and then I remember 1912 01:39:09,810 --> 01:39:05,290 that the police that I worked this guy 1913 01:39:12,359 --> 01:39:09,820 their best fish years ago had decided to 1914 01:39:14,459 --> 01:39:12,369 get us all names like nicknames and I 1915 01:39:19,890 --> 01:39:14,469 said what's my nickname and he said The 1916 01:39:22,290 --> 01:39:19,900 Exorcist and I was like what and I don't 1917 01:39:26,399 --> 01:39:22,300 know why he said thanks Lou you know 1918 01:39:31,169 --> 01:39:26,409 just maybe by my interest and horror 1919 01:39:34,260 --> 01:39:31,179 films or being you know I started the 1920 01:39:35,760 --> 01:39:34,270 the pagan society the University and you 1921 01:39:37,229 --> 01:39:35,770 know I don't know if it was that but I 1922 01:39:39,209 --> 01:39:37,239 don't know what I had together on the 1923 01:39:41,250 --> 01:39:39,219 impression and 1924 01:39:47,130 --> 01:39:41,260 - you know - call me the Exorcist 1925 01:39:52,280 --> 01:39:47,140 there's a strange one but yeah it is my 1926 01:39:55,410 --> 01:39:52,290 favorite film The Exorcist that is true 1927 01:39:58,380 --> 01:39:55,420 and but I just feel like everything has 1928 01:40:01,950 --> 01:39:58,390 kind of come together - I'm being guided 1929 01:40:03,209 --> 01:40:01,960 in that direction yeah yeah III know 1930 01:40:05,220 --> 01:40:03,219 exactly what you mean and I would 1931 01:40:06,750 --> 01:40:05,230 totally agree with you because I feel 1932 01:40:08,850 --> 01:40:06,760 like I've been shoved that way myself 1933 01:40:11,400 --> 01:40:08,860 and it doesn't matter what my interests 1934 01:40:15,030 --> 01:40:11,410 are you know I have spent a lot of time 1935 01:40:18,420 --> 01:40:15,040 in the UFO world but with the whole time 1936 01:40:20,550 --> 01:40:18,430 of in the paranormal stuff really really 1937 01:40:22,530 --> 01:40:20,560 pestered and pestered and pestered me to 1938 01:40:24,180 --> 01:40:22,540 the point where it's like okay ignore it 1939 01:40:28,950 --> 01:40:24,190 it won't go away I have to deal with 1940 01:40:30,209 --> 01:40:28,960 this so you know and I don't know I can 1941 01:40:31,490 --> 01:40:30,219 see myself going down the same route 1942 01:40:33,660 --> 01:40:31,500 which it was some point in the future 1943 01:40:35,810 --> 01:40:33,670 where I am right now but that might 1944 01:40:39,209 --> 01:40:35,820 change because I do change my mind a lot 1945 01:40:42,570 --> 01:40:39,219 and it might just be another part of my 1946 01:40:44,160 --> 01:40:42,580 learning and you know maybe once I 1947 01:40:48,660 --> 01:40:44,170 understand the energies of all these 1948 01:40:55,439 --> 01:40:48,670 archetypes etc I am going to need to be 1949 01:40:58,560 --> 01:40:55,449 in you know in a religious setting or 1950 01:41:00,780 --> 01:40:58,570 eat going to church or being baptized or 1951 01:41:02,729 --> 01:41:00,790 anything I don't know I don't know I 1952 01:41:05,720 --> 01:41:02,739 don't know what you mean no I mean 1953 01:41:08,459 --> 01:41:05,730 another quite important thing about and 1954 01:41:13,110 --> 01:41:08,469 actually physically going to church as 1955 01:41:16,470 --> 01:41:13,120 and that a you know if you want to look 1956 01:41:19,459 --> 01:41:16,480 at it magically that energy that of the 1957 01:41:25,350 --> 01:41:19,469 community it's good if energy you're all 1958 01:41:28,410 --> 01:41:25,360 it's combined it's you know hundreds 1959 01:41:31,860 --> 01:41:28,420 more hundred times more powerful than 1960 01:41:33,390 --> 01:41:31,870 you on your own you know sure come 1961 01:41:35,790 --> 01:41:33,400 together with the community and that 1962 01:41:38,580 --> 01:41:35,800 energy is building up and building up 1963 01:41:42,240 --> 01:41:38,590 and they've been put into your immediate 1964 01:41:44,010 --> 01:41:42,250 community so that is if you look at you 1965 01:41:47,700 --> 01:41:44,020 know actually physically going to a 1966 01:41:53,540 --> 01:41:47,710 service and those terms and but you know 1967 01:41:57,719 --> 01:41:53,550 you you only know that by experience 1968 01:41:59,669 --> 01:41:57,729 yeah yeah uh you know I just know that 1969 01:42:01,560 --> 01:41:59,679 there's no way that I can escape these 1970 01:42:05,939 --> 01:42:01,570 weird things that go on and that you 1971 01:42:07,919 --> 01:42:05,949 know I need to deal with this and this 1972 01:42:09,120 --> 01:42:07,929 is where I've ended up so I just have to 1973 01:42:10,709 --> 01:42:09,130 assume that this is where I'm supposed 1974 01:42:17,489 --> 01:42:10,719 to be otherwise I'd be somewhere else 1975 01:42:20,299 --> 01:42:17,499 wouldn't I and I assume that you know 1976 01:42:22,259 --> 01:42:20,309 everything that I've ever done is 1977 01:42:24,270 --> 01:42:22,269 integral to all of this and everything 1978 01:42:27,060 --> 01:42:24,280 that I've ever done is all tied in to 1979 01:42:30,239 --> 01:42:27,070 this because it's everything that's ever 1980 01:42:33,719 --> 01:42:30,249 happened to me this is not like me 1981 01:42:37,319 --> 01:42:33,729 getting a job it's me finding a way to 1982 01:42:41,580 --> 01:42:37,329 deal with situations in my actual living 1983 01:42:43,919 --> 01:42:41,590 life you know I was at someone's house 1984 01:42:46,830 --> 01:42:43,929 at the weekend and something happened I 1985 01:42:50,790 --> 01:42:46,840 can't explain what because it was just a 1986 01:42:52,890 --> 01:42:50,800 sudden difference in the air a very cold 1987 01:42:54,569 --> 01:42:52,900 the dog was frightened the dog actually 1988 01:43:00,149 --> 01:42:54,579 crapped herself in the carny was so 1989 01:43:02,580 --> 01:43:00,159 scared you know and I'm like not at home 1990 01:43:03,660 --> 01:43:02,590 and I'm like Kirk I'm not to deal with 1991 01:43:05,069 --> 01:43:03,670 this because I can't engage with 1992 01:43:06,629 --> 01:43:05,079 something in somebody else's house 1993 01:43:09,060 --> 01:43:06,639 because that's an invitation and it's 1994 01:43:13,680 --> 01:43:09,070 not my place mm-hmm just let's pretend 1995 01:43:15,509 --> 01:43:13,690 it didn't happen you know I mean I've 1996 01:43:18,810 --> 01:43:15,519 got to be able to deal with it because 1997 01:43:20,489 --> 01:43:18,820 it happens to me and it happens to me 1998 01:43:22,229 --> 01:43:20,499 kids as well at times they get all 1999 01:43:24,569 --> 01:43:22,239 freaked out they can feel it going off 2000 01:43:29,489 --> 01:43:24,579 mm-hmm we need to now to deal with it 2001 01:43:33,089 --> 01:43:29,499 and I think I've been extremely naive in 2002 01:43:35,640 --> 01:43:33,099 the past and I don't like to be naive 2003 01:43:37,350 --> 01:43:35,650 I like to be educated and the only way 2004 01:43:39,989 --> 01:43:37,360 real way that I can learn about these 2005 01:43:45,049 --> 01:43:39,999 kinds of things is the same way as you 2006 01:43:50,069 --> 01:43:45,059 have mhm well I felt that I needed the 2007 01:43:54,029 --> 01:43:50,079 do um the backing I don't know if that's 2008 01:43:56,160 --> 01:43:54,039 that I Tara but and as you said at the 2009 01:44:02,370 --> 01:43:56,170 start of the show I was ordained as a 2010 01:44:06,090 --> 01:44:02,380 deacon with a Bishop David party 2011 01:44:09,750 --> 01:44:06,100 of the inlets the Valentine in gnostic 2012 01:44:13,730 --> 01:44:09,760 church which we're trying to you know 2013 01:44:20,730 --> 01:44:17,910 he was also ordained with the old 2014 01:44:28,830 --> 01:44:20,740 Catholic Church at push we've no all 2015 01:44:32,970 --> 01:44:28,840 left but we decided it wasn't such a 2016 01:44:35,670 --> 01:44:32,980 great place for us but um not because of 2017 01:44:37,770 --> 01:44:35,680 anything Lee obviously we you watch 2018 01:44:41,400 --> 01:44:37,780 films and it's all with the sorbus 2019 01:44:45,300 --> 01:44:41,410 Catholic Jesus but or nuns as well doing 2020 01:44:47,430 --> 01:44:45,310 it such a sense and it wasn't because of 2021 01:44:50,520 --> 01:44:47,440 that it wasn't because of the enmity it 2022 01:44:55,500 --> 01:44:50,530 was because I think that there's when 2023 01:45:00,150 --> 01:44:55,510 you're ordained and there's a certain 2024 01:45:03,510 --> 01:45:00,160 and I don't want to use about Howard 2025 01:45:07,530 --> 01:45:03,520 again but you know you're you're a 2026 01:45:10,950 --> 01:45:07,540 governess connection more of a 2027 01:45:14,250 --> 01:45:10,960 connection and I told me they know what 2028 01:45:18,090 --> 01:45:14,260 I'm trying to see here but it felt like 2029 01:45:21,420 --> 01:45:18,100 in order to be any good exorcism in 2030 01:45:26,400 --> 01:45:21,430 order to feel like I really had the 2031 01:45:29,490 --> 01:45:26,410 raped to exorcise anyone or anything any 2032 01:45:31,260 --> 01:45:29,500 whom or whatever and I had to be given 2033 01:45:35,490 --> 01:45:31,270 the authority to do that 2034 01:45:38,340 --> 01:45:35,500 by by God you know but you did to get me 2035 01:45:41,040 --> 01:45:38,350 that authority and through being 2036 01:45:45,050 --> 01:45:41,050 ordained and until that happens I did 2037 01:45:47,790 --> 01:45:45,060 not feel that I was spiritually able to 2038 01:45:51,150 --> 01:45:47,800 go and and help somebody in that 2039 01:45:53,400 --> 01:45:51,160 situation yeah this is the sort of place 2040 01:45:56,910 --> 01:45:53,410 where I am right now where I realize 2041 01:45:59,190 --> 01:45:56,920 that if I do come up against something 2042 01:46:02,000 --> 01:45:59,200 like that a situation like that because 2043 01:46:05,670 --> 01:46:02,010 I put myself out there is doing this not 2044 01:46:09,900 --> 01:46:05,680 only I had not got the knowledge I don't 2045 01:46:11,910 --> 01:46:09,910 have that it is back up it's that can is 2046 01:46:14,400 --> 01:46:11,920 power but it's not your power it's not 2047 01:46:15,690 --> 01:46:14,410 me new power is God's playing power 2048 01:46:21,690 --> 01:46:15,700 power the 2049 01:46:23,070 --> 01:46:21,700 energy is that all God yeah and you're 2050 01:46:25,620 --> 01:46:23,080 allowed to use it you are allowed to do 2051 01:46:28,800 --> 01:46:25,630 that this is official doesn't work if 2052 01:46:31,050 --> 01:46:28,810 it's not official you don't have it 2053 01:46:33,150 --> 01:46:31,060 there because it's like every single 2054 01:46:36,420 --> 01:46:33,160 thing that is done is even though I know 2055 01:46:41,100 --> 01:46:36,430 that you know this is not white it's a 2056 01:46:43,460 --> 01:46:41,110 ritual it's a magical it's magic so you 2057 01:46:47,250 --> 01:46:43,470 know it's then law it's written in 2058 01:46:49,720 --> 01:46:47,260 energy that you can't change that that's 2059 01:46:51,540 --> 01:46:49,730 how it is 2060 01:46:54,450 --> 01:46:51,550 [Music] 2061 01:46:56,730 --> 01:46:54,460 sorry I wish to go sort of wandering 2062 01:47:00,000 --> 01:46:56,740 into somebody's life saying don't worry 2063 01:47:01,710 --> 01:47:00,010 I can help you with this you know but 2064 01:47:07,320 --> 01:47:01,720 it's gonna be dangerous for even more 2065 01:47:08,460 --> 01:47:07,330 people it's not going to work but people 2066 01:47:10,070 --> 01:47:08,470 are doing it and this is the thing that 2067 01:47:13,620 --> 01:47:10,080 scares me you know 2068 01:47:17,460 --> 01:47:13,630 so I'm glad it's not to say that you 2069 01:47:21,330 --> 01:47:17,470 only have to be a Christian priest 2070 01:47:25,380 --> 01:47:21,340 priest or priestess stroke minister or 2071 01:47:27,380 --> 01:47:25,390 whatever to do something like that I 2072 01:47:29,970 --> 01:47:27,390 mean you could be pig and you could be a 2073 01:47:33,420 --> 01:47:29,980 shaming you could have you know your 2074 01:47:35,820 --> 01:47:33,430 authority could still come to you but 2075 01:47:38,670 --> 01:47:35,830 you have to know that you have to know 2076 01:47:41,580 --> 01:47:38,680 that yourself if that authority has been 2077 01:47:44,580 --> 01:47:41,590 given to you and and I didn't feel that 2078 01:47:49,260 --> 01:47:44,590 it had until you know until I had been 2079 01:47:55,110 --> 01:47:49,270 ordained I've started to be ordained as 2080 01:47:59,990 --> 01:47:55,120 a priest a a deacon as like a trainee if 2081 01:48:06,300 --> 01:48:00,000 you like yeah but but still with the 2082 01:48:14,610 --> 01:48:06,310 more or less although the duties over a 2083 01:48:17,190 --> 01:48:14,620 priestess so I done a lot I can be and 2084 01:48:18,600 --> 01:48:17,200 then I think and don't know if I'm right 2085 01:48:21,780 --> 01:48:18,610 seeing us but I think when you're 2086 01:48:24,570 --> 01:48:21,790 ordained as a priestess then it's the 2087 01:48:27,560 --> 01:48:24,580 right reference I think that I think 2088 01:48:32,990 --> 01:48:27,570 that that's because I 2089 01:48:35,810 --> 01:48:33,000 had David referring to Alan Cox as the 2090 01:48:38,300 --> 01:48:35,820 date evidence and he has been ordained 2091 01:48:42,560 --> 01:48:38,310 as a priest with the the Gnostic charge 2092 01:48:47,240 --> 01:48:42,570 saw through David again so and at the 2093 01:48:54,200 --> 01:48:47,250 moment in the UK there are only three of 2094 01:48:59,120 --> 01:48:54,210 us David Allen and myself so as far as I 2095 01:49:01,700 --> 01:48:59,130 know and as far as David knows I mean 2096 01:49:04,340 --> 01:49:01,710 there are other Gnostics I as far as I 2097 01:49:06,050 --> 01:49:04,350 know what sinners would think we've been 2098 01:49:14,390 --> 01:49:06,060 ordained about the Valentine in gnostic 2099 01:49:15,650 --> 01:49:14,400 church thoughts yes yeah so I like 2100 01:49:28,160 --> 01:49:15,660 Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster 2101 01:49:32,480 --> 01:49:28,170 every certificate yeah have you got 2102 01:49:37,220 --> 01:49:32,490 Netflix yeah have you seen the Devlin 2103 01:49:39,770 --> 01:49:37,230 father a mort North as as th at the end 2104 01:49:43,460 --> 01:49:39,780 I think is pronounced a Mort father a 2105 01:49:46,240 --> 01:49:43,470 Mort was the the Vatican priest the old 2106 01:49:50,030 --> 01:49:46,250 Vatican police that died few years Mike 2107 01:49:55,250 --> 01:49:50,040 and it's all opposed William Friedkin 2108 01:49:57,560 --> 01:49:55,260 who directed the Exorcist and who has 2109 01:50:01,240 --> 01:49:57,570 done this documented it really speaks to 2110 01:50:04,240 --> 01:50:01,250 father Moritz and he actually and 2111 01:50:08,690 --> 01:50:04,250 witnesses and films and exorcism and 2112 01:50:11,600 --> 01:50:08,700 it's it's creep you know disturbing 2113 01:50:14,170 --> 01:50:11,610 quite a spooky but fairly interest and 2114 01:50:18,830 --> 01:50:14,180 at the same plane so you should 2115 01:50:20,650 --> 01:50:18,840 definitely check around yeah yeah the 2116 01:50:23,000 --> 01:50:20,660 devil and father a Mort 2117 01:50:25,160 --> 01:50:23,010 oh good when I showed it to my mom 2118 01:50:27,140 --> 01:50:25,170 actually and she was really cute touched 2119 01:50:29,240 --> 01:50:27,150 doesn't really like stuff like this I 2120 01:50:34,040 --> 01:50:29,250 saw like a family 2121 01:50:35,510 --> 01:50:34,050 watch and people are freaking out she's 2122 01:50:38,979 --> 01:50:35,520 my mom doesn't like really the 2123 01:50:41,410 --> 01:50:38,989 paranormal ufologist subject either but 2124 01:50:44,590 --> 01:50:41,420 when I said I want you to see this and 2125 01:50:47,770 --> 01:50:44,600 you know those new a noodle neurologists 2126 01:50:49,479 --> 01:50:47,780 or you're looking at a nurse too who are 2127 01:50:54,340 --> 01:50:49,489 saying you know this well most more 2128 01:50:56,110 --> 01:50:54,350 things didn't happen in ass and the they 2129 01:50:58,870 --> 01:50:56,120 say that you know this women she's no 2130 01:51:02,140 --> 01:50:58,880 she stopping on and a lot of them think 2131 01:51:11,020 --> 01:51:02,150 that it as some kind of noodle condition 2132 01:51:17,470 --> 01:51:11,030 and the or was what's the word like 2133 01:51:18,790 --> 01:51:17,480 hysteria or something I can to that that 2134 01:51:21,250 --> 01:51:18,800 the we just don't 2135 01:51:24,120 --> 01:51:21,260 what kind of do half a term for it they 2136 01:51:27,040 --> 01:51:24,130 call it trance and possession disorderly 2137 01:51:30,640 --> 01:51:27,050 but they do acknowledge that it is a 2138 01:51:35,229 --> 01:51:30,650 thing yeah and the they do acknowledge 2139 01:51:37,450 --> 01:51:35,239 that exorcism can break to find that 2140 01:51:40,240 --> 01:51:37,460 they know unfortunately that women was 2141 01:51:42,820 --> 01:51:40,250 winter I think it was like 10 Thank You 2142 01:51:45,340 --> 01:51:42,830 citizen I think actually the one that 2143 01:51:47,800 --> 01:51:45,350 was filmed was the ninth exorcism and 2144 01:51:51,340 --> 01:51:47,810 father a Mort died before her tenth 2145 01:51:54,130 --> 01:51:51,350 exorcism and but it it was very 2146 01:51:55,510 --> 01:51:54,140 interesting to watch and all our family 2147 01:51:57,729 --> 01:51:55,520 were there as well you know they were 2148 01:52:01,690 --> 01:51:57,739 they were all getting and behind it too 2149 01:52:06,390 --> 01:52:01,700 and you know of course room of it very 2150 01:52:08,590 --> 01:52:06,400 or actually have any a Catholic place or 2151 01:52:10,030 --> 01:52:08,600 obviously is going to be a Roman 2152 01:52:13,420 --> 01:52:10,040 Catholic priest it's going to carry that 2153 01:52:16,900 --> 01:52:13,430 out I was very interested actually to em 2154 01:52:18,220 --> 01:52:16,910 because I wondered you know the Catholic 2155 01:52:20,470 --> 01:52:18,230 you were here all about you know the 2156 01:52:23,080 --> 01:52:20,480 Catholic Church did exorcisms I wondered 2157 01:52:25,750 --> 01:52:23,090 if the Protestant church does the 2158 01:52:28,690 --> 01:52:25,760 exorcisms and in something that I've 2159 01:52:31,660 --> 01:52:28,700 read an American preacher had to come 2160 01:52:35,140 --> 01:52:31,670 over to Scotland to Edinburgh to do a 2161 01:52:38,910 --> 01:52:35,150 workshop with the Church of Scotland or 2162 01:52:41,979 --> 01:52:38,920 in it delivered on this ministry and I 2163 01:52:43,450 --> 01:52:41,989 emailed to the church because I didn't 2164 01:52:48,610 --> 01:52:43,460 have that information at the time of my 2165 01:52:51,310 --> 01:52:48,620 talk and a a when was that the 2166 01:52:52,600 --> 01:52:51,320 conference in July but afterwards I 2167 01:52:56,020 --> 01:52:52,610 emailed them 2168 01:53:00,370 --> 01:52:56,030 and the person that I'd email was an N 2169 01:53:03,910 --> 01:53:00,380 mayor you couldn't know n mayor it miss 2170 01:53:05,229 --> 01:53:03,920 miss in mere and I thought that was I 2171 01:53:07,419 --> 01:53:05,239 thought she's going to think I'm having 2172 01:53:09,910 --> 01:53:07,429 a laugh here asking about this you know 2173 01:53:11,800 --> 01:53:09,920 but she was very nice and she said she 2174 01:53:15,430 --> 01:53:11,810 said you actually have a report that's 2175 01:53:18,010 --> 01:53:15,440 done and he does and makes fairly 2176 01:53:21,160 --> 01:53:18,020 unchaste in regions so I'm going to be 2177 01:53:24,669 --> 01:53:21,170 hopefully using that tip and a book on 2178 01:53:26,590 --> 01:53:24,679 the subject but you know I said to my 2179 01:53:28,750 --> 01:53:26,600 mom did you realize that the Church of 2180 01:53:32,020 --> 01:53:28,760 Scotland's believe in evil supernatural 2181 01:53:37,030 --> 01:53:32,030 beings because my mom's Protestant and 2182 01:53:38,770 --> 01:53:37,040 she's like no really I said Jess or if 2183 01:53:44,560 --> 01:53:38,780 you're a Protestant then you have to 2184 01:53:53,530 --> 01:53:44,570 believe that too just looking at me like 2185 01:53:55,629 --> 01:53:53,540 are you kidding me because as most 2186 01:53:58,510 --> 01:53:55,639 people find out when they have something 2187 01:54:00,070 --> 01:53:58,520 going off in the home and the guts of 2188 01:54:04,060 --> 01:54:00,080 the church the church just don't want to 2189 01:54:06,970 --> 01:54:04,070 know they're not interested in in that 2190 01:54:09,760 --> 01:54:06,980 case and they actually enlisted they and 2191 01:54:13,959 --> 01:54:09,770 the Episcopalian Church which say the 2192 01:54:16,570 --> 01:54:13,969 Church of England and Scotland so there 2193 01:54:18,550 --> 01:54:16,580 was the Church of Scotland there was the 2194 01:54:21,100 --> 01:54:18,560 Catholic Church there was a pesky alien 2195 01:54:23,740 --> 01:54:21,110 Church and they all had their different 2196 01:54:26,709 --> 01:54:23,750 you know they caught what the each of 2197 01:54:30,550 --> 01:54:26,719 them dead when some do presented 2198 01:54:35,080 --> 01:54:30,560 themselves to them and said I think I'm 2199 01:54:40,570 --> 01:54:35,090 possessed but you know as far as I know 2200 01:54:45,910 --> 01:54:40,580 they don't just they don't say that's 2201 01:54:49,540 --> 01:54:45,920 not a thing you can't be you know but 2202 01:54:51,250 --> 01:54:49,550 they won't go through a process of or at 2203 01:54:54,250 --> 01:54:51,260 least the Catholics to go through a 2204 01:54:57,129 --> 01:54:54,260 process of come to church for X amount 2205 01:55:00,939 --> 01:54:57,139 of weeks we need to observe you we need 2206 01:55:02,709 --> 01:55:00,949 to do a psychiatric evaluation or not 2207 01:55:05,700 --> 01:55:02,719 them but they have someone do a 2208 01:55:12,840 --> 01:55:10,100 they don't just John Penn yeah you know 2209 01:55:15,270 --> 01:55:12,850 it has happened deny appear to people 2210 01:55:18,710 --> 01:55:15,280 saying you know the they've just they've 2211 01:55:21,330 --> 01:55:18,720 done an exorcism with something and 2212 01:55:24,270 --> 01:55:21,340 without all of these things been in 2213 01:55:26,550 --> 01:55:24,280 place so if somebody is actually has a 2214 01:55:29,130 --> 01:55:26,560 psychiatric issue and you're doing an 2215 01:55:31,860 --> 01:55:29,140 exorcism one of them not only sign or 2216 01:55:35,040 --> 01:55:31,870 helpful but it's also reinforcing the 2217 01:55:38,910 --> 01:55:35,050 fact that they're possessed nor mentally 2218 01:55:40,680 --> 01:55:38,920 ill yeah so you know that's why I see 2219 01:55:44,610 --> 01:55:40,690 the Catholics have got this wrapped up 2220 01:55:46,440 --> 01:55:44,620 they know what they're doing even if 2221 01:55:49,430 --> 01:55:46,450 some decent Catholic how it's still said 2222 01:55:52,110 --> 01:55:49,440 to them go and speak to a priest yeah 2223 01:55:58,170 --> 01:55:52,120 you know unless they're in Glasgow you 2224 01:56:02,640 --> 01:55:58,180 can come and see me you know but you 2225 01:56:05,130 --> 01:56:02,650 know did you have a unsorted they've got 2226 01:56:10,590 --> 01:56:05,140 their they've got the formula you know 2227 01:56:13,320 --> 01:56:10,600 there's a formula the they've got are I 2228 01:56:17,750 --> 01:56:13,330 say it we of doing things they don't 2229 01:56:20,580 --> 01:56:17,760 just jump in yes absolutely 2230 01:56:22,170 --> 01:56:20,590 they're fairly responsible about well 2231 01:56:26,730 --> 01:56:22,180 that's what I mean about the difference 2232 01:56:29,940 --> 01:56:26,740 in being unsafe and being safe you know 2233 01:56:32,190 --> 01:56:29,950 I've been unsafe because I don't know 2234 01:56:40,110 --> 01:56:32,200 I'm doing and that formula that they 2235 01:56:42,720 --> 01:56:40,120 have works so yeah and this is what the 2236 01:56:46,140 --> 01:56:42,730 bishop personas basically if you don't 2237 01:56:46,830 --> 01:56:46,150 have all of that information that they 2238 01:57:04,230 --> 01:56:46,840 have 2239 01:57:06,470 --> 01:57:04,240 relationship with these archetypes who 2240 01:57:10,650 --> 01:57:06,480 influenced all of our affairs 2241 01:57:13,710 --> 01:57:10,660 definitely yeah and on that note we've 2242 01:57:15,480 --> 01:57:13,720 reached the end of the show um that was 2243 01:57:16,790 --> 01:57:15,490 a good conversation well thank you very 2244 01:57:18,510 --> 01:57:16,800 much for having me on 2245 01:57:24,740 --> 01:57:18,520 it's one of my 2246 01:57:27,060 --> 01:57:24,750 things to talk about very interesting 2247 01:57:29,900 --> 01:57:27,070 because I know you have a background in 2248 01:57:36,750 --> 01:57:29,910 religion in your education so you know 2249 01:57:38,970 --> 01:57:36,760 I'm probably going to be I was the 2250 01:57:39,660 --> 01:57:38,980 Bishop says you know and I ask all these 2251 01:57:42,810 --> 01:57:39,670 questions 2252 01:57:46,410 --> 01:57:42,820 oh that's in the lesson ahead and lesson 2253 01:57:48,210 --> 01:57:46,420 such-and-such cats give the process but 2254 01:58:00,060 --> 01:57:48,220 I'm too impatient I want to know 2255 01:58:04,100 --> 01:58:00,070 everything now he told me I was very 2256 01:58:06,750 --> 01:58:04,110 wordy I said yes it's bad 2257 01:58:08,610 --> 01:58:06,760 no I would like to do that courses well 2258 01:58:15,150 --> 01:58:08,620 I've done cute in O'Keefe's course and 2259 01:58:20,760 --> 01:58:15,160 that was very interesting the nuns who 2260 01:58:27,810 --> 01:58:23,540 [Music] 2261 01:58:30,300 --> 01:58:27,820 fabulous oh okay thanks for coming on 2262 01:58:35,490 --> 01:58:30,310 the show everybody next week another 2263 01:58:38,220 --> 01:58:35,500 guest does a super interesting one catch 2264 01:58:41,010 --> 01:58:38,230 me on Facebook and Twitter we've got a 2265 01:58:43,560 --> 01:58:41,020 paranormal mysteries on access Northwest 2266 01:58:46,940 --> 01:58:43,570 page and also if you want to catch any